Dr. Frank Shallenberger Explains Energy, Aging, And the Therapies (Jack Wolfson DO)
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[Music] welcome to the healthy heart show where we pull back the curtain on conventional medicine and dive into the root causes of cardiovascular health if you are concerned about high cholesterol high blood pressure heart attacks stroke or atrial fibrillation this is the place for you we will provide natural heart information that will help you prevent treat and reverse any ailment leaving pills and procedures out of the picture here are your guides to holistic heart health board certified cardiologist and Amazon best-selling author Dr Jack Wolfson and natural heart doctor naturopathic physician Dr Lauren latanza foreign Dr Jack Wolfson board certified cardiologist at natural heart doctor welcome to another episode of the healthy heart show where our Focus here is on getting you the 100 Year heart so to get you that information to get you on that path to the 100 of your hearts I give you the best information and I bring on the best guests and I've really got an absolute uh uh superstar in the holistic industry to bring on today this is Dr Frank schallenberger and I'll get into Dr schellenberger's you know bio but you know again when you talk about you know some of these founding fathers of uh that really have paved the way for the Next Generation maybe people like me uh to to be able to do what I do to get that message of Health and Wellness out there we've got Dr Frank shallenberger Dr Frank how you doing buddy I'm great thanks for the intro you got it so Dr Schellenberg it's it's I love this because his his bio talks about six-time grandfather and four-time father and for those of you who are watching on video we're streaming a lot you know streaming on video and then doing the audio but behind me on my wall I've got a picture that includes the names of my four children and my wife and again you can you see Dr schallenberg it leads off with his six-time grandfather four-time father and again he's one of The Originals practicing medicine since 1973. uh I'm sure uh you don't feel like you've been practicing for for that long I know how time flies Pioneer and alternative integrative medicine since 1978. um he's got uh he's licensed to practice in Nevada where again he's got the conventional medicine license and also alternative and homeopathic medicine so he's giving you the best of of Both Worlds he's taught thousands and thousands of practitioners he's got two books that he wrote one's called the type 2 diabetes breakthrough and bursting with energy he'll tell us how we can get a copy of that he's also the editor of the second opinion alternative medical newsletter and again Pioneer in in therapies as it pertains to mitochondrial Health as it pertains to uh the use of ozone and getting that incredible therapy and we're going to be talking about all those again as we get in with uh with Dr Frank again Dr Frank thanks so much for being on the show it's a pleasure Jack thanks for having me all right so listen so so kind of give us some of your back story if you will so you started off you graduate maybe in 1973 and then five years later you uh you know you wake up something happens pulls you out of the medical Matrix the pharmaceutical pill surgical model tell us about that story well it's kind of interesting um all of us come into this different ways and we just talked about how you got into it but uh for me um it was a combination of things number one after I got out of medical school I went into emergency medicine so I was one of those trauma docs and we were putting tubes in everybody's the helicopters brought them in that kind of deal and I just uh you know after about six eight years of doing that in the late 70s you know I just I decided I think I want to have a nice life so I'm going to try and get a day job so uh that's what I did I just hung out my shingle and I started treating people uh and more of a general practice type of setting and uh you know I I had been so disillusioned being in emergency medicine because emergency medicine is so straightforward and it hits cause and I've often told people you know when your emergency doctor and somebody comes in with say a knife in their back you don't give them some Prozac and send them home you actually take the knife out sew up the wound and fix the problem and so that's sort of the mentality that emergency doctors have we we're going to fix the problem well I get into to internal medicine and to family medicine and uh I'm not fixing any problems and in fact um you know all I'm doing is I'm treating symptoms and that's great okay but half the time the drugs I'm giving to treat the symptoms are causing other problems and so I was you know really disillusioned with that uh I went to uh the head of the hospital there I went to the department head of the hospitals associated with and I said you know this is what I'm doing what am I doing wrong and they said basically after talking to me they said you know you're not really doing anything wrong I said but I'm not actually fixing people and um they said well yeah we don't fix people in Internal Medicine you know we just make them feel better that's the deal what are you getting so excited about and uh I thought you know that can't be right that just can't be right so my dad was a doctor at the time and uh he called me up one day around this time and he said Son look I got I can see he came up in the 30s so he said I got all these old books uh for medical school and from apartment and all these books uh would you like him I said yeah send me some of these books so he sends me this big old box of books and the first book I pull out is a book by siba one of the Pharma companies and it's a short little book but in there it goes through vitamins turns out that back in the 30s and the 40s you know the Pharma was into vitamins they're not anymore but they used to be so I'm pulling out this book you know the first page it says Diamond deficiency and I'm looking at thiamine deficiency and it says fatigue aches moodiness I'm thinking heck those are my people this is like what most people have is this kind of stuff I said I wonder if they might be vitamin division so that's kind of what got me into this I subsequently got lucky in as much as I was in the San Francisco area and Linus Pauling had a study group going on once a month there in San Francisco so I got to meet with all these these great guys these early luminaries and gosh my mind was open so by the time the 80s rolled around you know I was kind of into it and that's that's what brought me brought me to looking for answers something that maybe treated at a causal level instead of just the symptomatic level but you know I often uh say that listen the world needs plenty of Emergency Room Physicians and trauma surgeons but when it comes to actual prevention the medical doctors have nothing like the toolbox is totally empty they're again their their idea of prevention is is statin drugs and blood pressure drugs and diabetes drugs and aspirin and you know clearly that's just that's just not uh not the answer what um uh certainly as as you started looking at all of this and obviously as your travails kind of go on through like you said through the 80s uh and talking about Hospital Administration right you're talking about late 70s as that goes into the 80s and that's just uh the Golden Era of of insurance companies and Medicare when the Physicians and hospitals were just I mean it was a printing press of of money going on uh and then you know I mean so so tell us maybe get into some of the some of the headwinds you came up against as it as you're starting you know your career and and going into this natural alternative you know and all the blowback from your colleagues and stuff foreign yeah it was it's it's a much better atmosphere these days uh back then there was a lot of antagonism I mean if you even told your patient they shouldn't eat sugar that was you know there's something a little bit questionable about how intelligent you are and so we did have to deal with things like that but I'll tell you a funny story once I I eventually I uh you know Linus Pauling had set up this group called the ortho molecular Medical Society and I ended up being involved in that and in the early 80s we had one of our first meetings uh well it was my first meeting about putting to that way so I'm in I'm in the audience there listening to all the speakers and such and I turned around and who's there but the chief of staff at the hospital and you know all these guys are talking about this alternative things like you know IV vitamin C and so forth so on and uh and I go up and I said John what the heck are you doing here he says look I I'm interested in this stuff but don't as long as you didn't tell anybody and you flew under the radar maybe you were okay it got into a little bit of problems eventually in the state of California um but you know those days are over and that's but yeah it was this is a little problematic especially with insurance companies insurance companies would just you know if you didn't do anything by the book they call that fraud I mean it's amazing because you think insurance companies would want to you know lower their outlay for for those who who are insured and therefore again if you have a healthy population paying Insurance uh dollars and you're not spending any of that you would think that would be fantastic for insurance companies but I guess you can only say that they're all kind of in bed together with insurance hospitals pharmacies it's it's almost a catch 22. I'm sure you you understand this but it's almost a catch-22 in the sense that what happens to the premiums if the expenses go up they don't care about the expenses they just raise the premiums and then now you now you get the government involved and then it's like like you said printed money all over the place so it really they're not motivated to keep the cost down yeah the uh you know when I uh when I wrote my my book back in 2015 and I showed that to a lot of my Cardiology buddies and they looked at it and they actually some of them even read it and some of them even commented we loved your book everything you say fantastic in there just don't ever mention my name that I ever approved your book um I got I got a friend who's the head of cancer at a huge huge uh East Coast University he's the head of the cancer Department one of my uh one of my best friends from osteopathic school and again he hears everything I have to say he loves everything I have to say but again his job depends on him uh toting the company line so he could never you know break free from that which is uh which again he obviously he could and and people like you again and people like myself we've taken the risk we've taken the hits um and again just to you know continue to bring truth to uh you know to the world and the best way to stay healthy so again I appreciate you um I I do want to uh you know I'll I guess I'll open it up to you because I know I do want to talk about ozone because I know you're one of the foremost authorities worldwide on ozone but I do know that uh you do love to talk about mitochondrial health so maybe do you want to set up the the concept of ozone but first let's talk about uh you know what are the mitochondria and why are you so passionate about having um about 20 years ago I'm out riding my bike and one thing about riding my bike is that my brain is like free floating I don't you know whatever pops in Pops in you know and uh I'm just riding my bike and I'm thinking about the fact that um as people get older than mitochondria function worse and it's a known fact everybody accepts this and that this is a major um cause for disease because maybe be the fundamental ultimate cause for disease is that the mitochondria don't work so well and for listeners the mitochondria are organelles in all of our cells ourselves and thousands of these little guys and that's where the oxygen is headed so all that oxygen that we breathe in with it which is obviously the most critical thing we can do for life is breathing in oxygen all that oxygen only does one thing very interesting unlike vitamins and minerals which have a lot of things that they do oxygen actually and human body only accomplishes one thing and that is it finds its way into the mitochondria of ourselves and the mitochondria are able to extract energy from that oxygen in this in in the process go electron transport uh extract the energy from the oxygen and that energy can be harnessed and the cells use that energy to Keep Us Alive and I knew at the time um that animal studies had showed uh that as uh as the as animals get older the ability for their cells to actually function the functional aspect of their cells remains intact even to very old age the problem is not that the cells can't do what they're charged with doing the problem really is the mitochondria aren't working so well aren't processing the energy efficiently and the cells are getting less and less energy they could do what they're going to do but they can't because they're not getting enough energy and so uh and we have this phenomena called Aging which is basically a bunch of cells that really could work well but aren't getting enough energy to work well and I tell my patients is it's analogous to a flashlight with a bad battery you know the flashlight could work really well but you know you need to change the batteries so I'm so anyhow so we know about these phenomenons we know that cells can work even into old age but they don't because they don't have enough energy and and the reason they don't get enough energy is because as we get older for a whole bunch of reasons uh the mitochondria won't process the energy and that's so the whole thing so I'm riding my bike and I'm thinking about this and I'm thinking yeah the older you get the less energy you're able to make and then I thought then it just came into my head what if the decrease in energy came before the Aging what what will happen if the mitochondria became dysfunctional or lost their ability to react even before aging so at that point I thought well that's interesting maybe that's the case maybe in fact if the mitochondria aren't working well early and I'm talking in your 30s uh that might predispose you down the line to aging cream maturely and developing all extra vulnerability to diseases as we get older so I thought you know what I need to find a way to measure mitochondria so I started making some calls and doing some research into this to find out like outside of you know strange research settings there's no way to measure mitochondrial function I'm thinking to myself hey this is the most single most important thing I ought to know about myself and I don't know how to measure it uh so I thought well let's try and find some ways so I won't go through a whole long story but we tried a bunch of different ways turns out a really good way to make sure oxygen is like so so grossly obvious that I think it's most people have like it's gone right over their head kind of but that is we we put a mask on people kind of like a scuba mask and they're breathing through this device it's connected to a pulmonary gas analyzer which analyzes how much O2 is they're consuming uh oxygen they're consuming how much carbon dioxide they're putting out turns out that if you do those measurements under a proper protocol and use some a very established formulas you can really detail how well the mitochondria are working so we we developed this test and I'm I'm doing mitochondrial testing and all these patients that I know and uh and they could be in their 30s they could be in their 40s they could be asymptomatic they could be sick whatever and the numbers are just horrible horrible and so I'm calling back the uh company that makes the analyze and I'm saying there's something wrong with this equipment you know these numbers cannot be that bad well what I learned was at that time that the numbers were in reality bad there was nothing wrong with equipment but what I learned was all these numbers that we're supposed to see have have been developed into like really weird ways one is all the published data is either on Olympic athletes that level of human being or on people who are ready to get heart heart transplants for lung transplants these Joe Joe lunch box in the middle normal human beings nobody knows about them so that's all that's been studied I'm so I'm here getting all this data and I'm finding out your lunchbox is flunking he looks really bad and sometimes even in the 30s we had one study where something like 12 of healthy asymptomat quote healthy asymptomatic individuals in their 30s had already had significant reformed mitochondrial function and that's when it occurred to be the mitochondria become dysfunctional first and as they become dysfunctional then they start to go into Decay later on because they're at first dysfunctional in other words it's preventable if you get it early measure it discover there's a problem there's things that you can do to prevent that decay that ultimately comes down the line and the really cool thing is Jack I've got people in their mid late 80s that now have the mitochondrial function of like a 35 year old person it's crazy what you can do with this that individual never going to get sick and he's going to be his functional right up to his last day that's not tremendous uh uh I definitely I definitely want to learn more about uh you know the technique and you know that you're talking about doing and I think that's a fantastic thing to spread uh the news and information on are there any other tests that you use uh are there any blood tests I mean obviously you can look at different markers of inflammation oxidative stress the common things that most people you know certainly in the in the functional medicine space natural space are checking into you do you find any of those helpful or are you talking about no we got to be measuring O2 CO2 um uh exhalation you know methodologies yeah you know I think that uh certainly all these other guests are wonderful you know whether it's an EKG or whether it's a blood test whether you're looking at Omega-3s whether you're looking at Vitamin levels whether you're looking at higher levels hormones they're all critical to look at this but I look at the mitochondrial function it's sort of being the global assay Because by the way mitochondria are like extremely sensitive so they're they're they're not only a global way to assess an individual they're very sensitive so anything from even severe emotional trauma to head trauma to lack of sleep all of these things can almost immediately affect mitochondrial function so if I get a patient and I test them out and there's mitochondrial function are good I can pretty much tell that guy you know we're going to look at other aspects to see if we can't even get you better but the reality is you're matching your lifestyle is matching up pretty well with your genetics amazing um okay as it as it pertains to okay so now we diagnose somebody with mitochondrial dysfunction you and I could talk for hours about all the different modalities to be able to improve that mitochondrial uh function obviously from nutrition uh to Lifestyle to avoiding environmental toxins to the supplements and Tech and techniques for detoxification but maybe do me a favor um and the audience of favor certainly uh Enlighten us as to maybe some of the popular or what you find have been the most effective things that you've utilized to increase that mitochondrial function yeah so that's a great question because that's obviously the deal so now I got this test and I find out people don't have good mitochondrial functions so now I'm looking for that magic bullet it's going to push him over the Finish Line um reality is it's not very many Magic Bullets out there uh I did we did do a study where it showed that uh in uh parenteral B vitamins parenteral B vitamins of all the things that I tested and I tested Coq I tested carnitine I tested all the usual cast of characters that one would think of for mitochondrial function and in terms of supplements and things that you can do by Far and Away it was B vitamins B vitamins something simple like B vitamins now in those B vitamins of course you know but but the the there's several of them the of particularly niacin but there's niacin in this riboflavin in which are cofactors for this whole mitochondrial process we B vitamins are turned up during stress there's a little stress going around in our society so I'm pretty sure that most people are not getting the adequate amount of niacin riboflava they need so I've always been big on that but interestingly enough in terms of supplements and we could talk a little bit about peptides in a little bit peptides are different but in terms of supplements the only thing that I found that's really effective is B vitamins outside of that number one thing aerobic exercise there's no two ways about it um that's not the only Factor but that's the number one critical Factor so if I see mitochondria functions down first thing I want to ask that patient is you know how are you engaging in aerobic exercise you have a regular aerobic exercise program going around and we want to talk about that the second one now really surprised me and so it has to do with this as the oxygen comes into the cell in order for it to provide the proton that sets the whole electron transport chain going it has to get that proton from either glucose or a fatty acid that's where it gets it turn now all of us can get it from either way so in my body I can my mitochondria can Harvest that proton from glucose it can also Harvest that proton from fatty acids but the reality is when you look into it uh that we're all different and so you have some people on one side of this equation that can Harvest a proton from glucose very efficiently but not so much from fatty acids okay so that person should have a diet fairly high in complex carbohydrates uh they should not be on the high fat ketogenic type of diet they should be in the complex carbohydrate diet on the other end you have people that cannot efficiently Harvest protons from uh from glucose they are the keto people they want to be on the high fat low carbohydrate diet so you've got these extremes and the rest of us kind of fit in between these extremes but what's cool about doing this this testing is since the production of carbohydrate uh the production of carbon dioxide varies between whether you're whether you're getting the proton from glucose versus whether you're getting the proton for fatty acids it varies I can look at that ratio of CO2 to O2 and tell you where you stand on that Spectrum so the number one thing that I found uh to improve mitochondrial function is exercise the number two thing is finding the right diet because if you're a person that doesn't burn glucose well and you get on that high carbohydrate thing I could tell you some great stories it's going to flat out suppress your mitochondria so is that what you do do you try people on I don't know say you know a couple weeks of the high complex carbs and then test them and then versus uh the hydro fats and then test them and see which one kind of wins out there's a bit of that but Jack actually initially right from the test itself I can pretty much tell you where you are in that Spectrum just by looking at the numbers on the test because it turns out it's a linear equation it doesn't go up and down and very like that it's straight linear if I look at look at those ratios I can predict where you're going to be down the line so I can I can tell the audience a really cool story that that first got me going on this and and nailed it down for me but I had a guy come up from L.A he was a 42 year old uh a movie actor he wasn't really working all that much these days and so he's spending all his time in the gym and he's from the Los Angeles area so he's eating Sprouts all day long so he's got like this perfect type of Lifestyle so to speak be and the guy looks like Adonis so he comes in on a testament his mitochondrial functions just stunk and so I'm I'm going back with my history so okay what's the deal with you well it turns out that uh he does eat a Dairy Queen Blizzard twice a day and so I asked him well why the heck giving your lifestyle do you eat a Dairy Queen Blizzard twice a day and he thought and he said probably the best answer anybody could ever give because I really like them but anyhow I said you know that may be problematic for you so let's just have you stop eating that Dairy Queen Blizzard let's change nothing else I bring him back in two weeks his mitochondrial function doubled and I have seen this before so part of what we can do is kind of what you say you can you can um get get the test put them on a keto diet come back redo the test but I've done that so much now um that I don't really need to do that I can just actually look at the numbers and tell you where you stand on that what is uh omega-3 uh play into the picture I mean obviously the answer is a lot uh and you know there's been a lot of controversy about taking omega-3 fish oil supplementation especially recently uh increasing the risk of atrial fibrillation I think the problem is obviously when you take a population of people who eat McDonald's cookies cupcakes and Dairy Queen like you just said and then you give them fish oil that's lousy rancid fish oil and they take no other vitamins nothing else is healthy you're bound to get lousy results but to that end I usually say to people hey you know sometimes we need to supplement magnesium and B vitamins but a lot of times again we can just get some of this uh you know the Omega-3s from the seafood so talk me through that again as far as the the omega-3 fatty acids their role in obviously in the cell membrane in the mitochondrial membranes how does that all play out well you know you you got your omega-3 bats which kind of a conglomeration of bats and they're they're in most Foods uh but the thing what I think most of us want to focus on is uh EPA and DHA these are these are the fatty acids the bhea is absolutely critical for neurological function EPA is is really critical for inflammation purposes and so we're supposed to synthesize those unless you're eating grass-fed animals and for fish you're not really going to get any EPA and DHA in your diet you're going to get the the apparent oils from your grains uh and such and then you're supposed to convert those parent oils into EPA and DHA um but you're you're absolutely right they're doing these populations and it turns out I measure EPA and DHA on every single patient I see and I got to tell you 80 of the time it's it's in the tank it's absolutely in the tank they can't synthesize it in a population you're going to get some people that make plenty of EPA and VHA and they don't need fish oil for example and then you're going to meet a whole lot of other people that don't hardly make it at all and that could be a lousy diet that's true but a lot of it is just like diabetics diabetics get as a rule cannot synthesize EPN DHA and you're almost never going to see a diabetic so I'll bet if you start looking at studies of fish oil and diabetics you're going to see some different numbers the healthy heart show will be right back after we take this quick break to hear from our 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life uh specifically sunlight so that that was my thing is looking at sunlight because I learned about this guy named Vincent in the early 1900s who had some clinics in the Alps I don't know if you've heard of this guy and uh so he had it high in the Alps because it was above the cloud layer so over there apparently there's a lot of clouds all the time you can't get much sunlight so he established these clinics up there and I've had actual photos of this and he's published data on this uh where he's curing literally curing tuberculosis cases aerosepolis cases uh all kinds of infectious cases of curing them by getting these people up there and having them sunbathe all day long and the hospital rooms were such that they uh they opened up the windows and rolled them out onto the patio and he started them out with like what five minutes a day and then each day they would increase it as they acclimated to the sun until they got to the point where they could like take Sun all day long and the clinical results simply from doing that were astounding so yeah so so light of all kind I'm no expert on light uh we do see do use some lights I got some red lights in the clinic I got some blue lights in the clinic uh but I do encourage people to get sun sunlight which to me seems like to be it's probably the best light but I'm sure it's a mitochondrial inducer it has to be I wonder why uh Dr fauci hasn't uh publicized the use of light uh therapy to uh support immune function it's a patent on that you know he needs a pat before he's going to push it I love there's I've seen the photos and I've you know again uh you know passed on to photos and shared them on social media emails and stuff like that of uh the the time of the Spanish flu and how you're talking about Boston and it's the winter time in Boston and how they have the patients outside uh of the of the tents that they had set up just to make sure they were getting something like in the middle of winter in in Boston and everybody else is walking around they're wearing like heavy jackets and stuff like that and the patients are all bundled up but at the very least their face their eyeballs and the light all that kind of stuff all right uh you know again I you know you're such an incredible wealth of information I respect you know you so much and everything that you're saying I but I do want to uh you know honor your time and I do want to take the opportunity to jump into uh ozone so if you would maybe give me just a quick on what ozone is and why of course it's not uh you know you know the ozone that we talk about in the atmosphere is different from Medical grade ozone uh and then in as to how it helps people with cardiovascular issues well okay so the sort of the quickest way to for the laypeople to understand this is number one ozone is pure oxygen it's not contamination as you were pointing out uh and what we oxygen that we're breathing in like right now is two oxygen atoms stuck together uh ozone is when you take oxygen like that what we call it O2 is oxygen they breathe in the hospitals we pump it through a machine and then out the other end about two or three percent as as this oxygen goes through the machine changes from O2 to O3 so now we have three oxygen atoms uh combined together rather than just two turns out that's an electron deficient molecule it needs an electron so instantaneously it's going to want to have an electron so keeping that in mind uh what happens in mitochondria is they don't work so well is they become electron deficient so this is there's there's a more if you look at NAD and nadh ratios we can get more technically on this but in overall that's what the problem with the mitochondria are they're electron deficient so wouldn't it make sense to uh I mean their electron I'm sorry their their proton excess which means that they need uh to remove electrons they need to move the electrons doesn't it make sense to put in electron deficient molecule because that's basically what it does when you put that molecule in there it oxidizes the nadh back to NAD which stimulates the whole mitochondria thing so um in terms of therapies that we can use besides B vitamins to uh up regulate um uh mitochondrial function ozone is extremely effective with that and you can give the ozone into the blood you can give it into the rectum you can put it in body parts you can do all kinds of interesting things with it it's a very utilizable substance uh and it's by the way cheap easy to use and if it's used properly absolutely free of side effects so the idea Again by administering ozone it seems to me what you're saying is that we kind of stimulate maybe this additional low level of oxidative stress and that causes the body to increase its antioxidant capabilities it's antioxidants uh genes proteins and then therefore ultimately to actually or paradoxically even to lower inflammation oxidative stress which are linked to every every condition in total right I mean certainly every cardiovascular condition of your brain condition every Cancer condition uh is that is that what we're trying to achieve that's absolutely right that's absolutely right you know the the what what people want to think of it is that oxygen molecule is going to go into your cell it's going to get there now either it's going to be processed through the mitochondria to produce energy or it's going to be processed into free radicals if it can't go the energy way guess which way it's going to go so so we have study after study after study that goes back into another wonderful thing I love about ozone is it's got this huge history by the way but uh um you know all these studies that very clearly demonstrate I can tell you some great stories uh but that clearly demonstrate that these single most powerful way to decrease free radical production is ozone therapy by far is nothing that can can come close to it is there any danger I guess in because it doesn't sound like in any way this is actually suppressing the the oxidative um Pathways in the body because I think there is some concern about you know in some of the literature and uh you know that's all debatable as well is that if we administer antioxidants that that kind of interferes with the the the body is doing all this oxidation and oxidative stress for a purpose and that if we give a lot of antioxidants it may actually inhibit what the body's trying to do if we do it exogenously I absolutely believe that by the way the The Secret of course is in the dose you obviously need antioxidants but you get too many of them it's going to start suppressing out things uh once again I can tell you a really interesting uh experiment I did once with a scientific colleague of mine uh that demonstrated this but this it's very clear in my mind uh antioxidants are critical but high doses should only be used temporarily and in certain clinical situations there's been you know some debate about NAC most recently you know that I've seen and again the literature is so effusive on the benefits of of NAC and obviously its ability to increase levels of glutathione there's a few studies that have gotten a lot of publicity in some people that um uh some of this may actually increase cancer risk uh in some of these smaller studies and again you know you can you can criticize all those I get it and and then of course uh is NAC so beneficial that uh those who are controlling the situation want to uh you know again uh diminish the message of the benefits of NAC I think that's a question as well what uh as it pertains to again the the last two years and in the pandemic uh there there is a pretty good amount of information about ozone and its ability to keep people healthy in the face of covid and whatever covet is uh and and again there's debate about what covet is but let's just say people are getting sick from something and ozone appears to have a role in preventing hospitalization uh ICU uh admission and even uh a mortality right yeah so uh I'm back in the mid 80s uh there was a a epidemic of whooping cough in Modesto California and I learned about this by looking reading about the newspaper and they were talking about in this school in this one school elementary school something like 60 of the kids that come down with whooping cough was huge they shut down the whole school so I'm reading this article and I'm thinking now wait a second 60 of the kids came down with whooping cough that's huge that's a an epidemic for sure why not the other 40 percent if this if this whole viral injection thing is about the virus itself you know the other 40 got exposed to the virus why didn't they get sick so I started thinking about this in the sense that there's got to be something more than the microbe itself how if it's a microbe is the problem everybody ought to get sick and longabouts then I did run into this guy named Peter duceberg and I don't know if you've heard of Peter he's he's passed on now but he was a pure genius but uh work at uh uh UC Berkeley anyhow just did some fabulous work with viruses and such and he said it's not about the virus it's about how we respond to the virus and boy he was right on and so what I've learned about about ozone to tie this all together is Ozone makes you respond to the virus better which is why when franzini published his study only about a year and a half ago so by the way with viruses I knock them all out with this protocol every single one it doesn't matter I don't even I don't care what the name of the virus is it could be Ebola it could be honkavirus it could be influenced I don't really care because the process is like always the same it's not about the micro it's not like a bacteria a bacteria it's about the bacteria but a virus is different and we cannot treat it like there's no use diagnosing what virus it is just treat the condition that allowed the viral infection to happen which has to in those studies you know again you reference from uh you know for zini again like you know lower inflammation lower D dimer those are all good things as we think about you know covet is this hyper-coagulable state and microemboli thrombosis so anything certainly that can lower inflammation lower coagulation in that scenario is probably going to be a beneficial I know you talk a lot in your books and your teachings and again about the use of ozone as far as uh arthritic conditions uh there's a lot of uh Dental uh holistic dentists that are using ozone uh for holistic Dentistry uh brain-based benefits of of ozone fantastic stuff yeah you know which is one of the first things yeah I learned about ozone in the early 80s right ended up going to Germany and I heard about it and I thought at the time I thought you know that's crazy ozone's an extremely powerful oxygen are you telling me that if you give somebody an extremely positive box then you're going to save them from oxidant stress where's the sense in that but the data is there so I went over to Germany to check it out I learned about it learned how to do this and I learned a lot just being there from these uh great professors that have been doing this for 20 years and I came home and I started using it and not not long afterwards again I've got a an internal medicine type practice so I see people with all kinds of problems from diabetes to cancer to whatever uh they all get better with ozone what's that all about oh you can't how can you get better with like 20 totally different diseases with the same exact substance how does that happen if it's not working on some extremely fundamental level like mitochondria like immune system like uh circulation and as it turns out the studies are there's just a plethora of studies showing how ozone stimulates all these things that we could get into endlessly talking about this but at anything that's probably good for you is probably going to read about ozone stimulates that so uh the majority of people who come to see you uh in your in your clinic from all over the world are are pretty much are they all getting on some kind of intravenous uh uh ozone protocol and is there anyone who ozone would not be appropriate for yeah that's a good question so um so no I don't put everybody on ozone uh it's it's sort of a Rescue Remedy if you will uh it's you know it's it's it costs it's cheap but it still costs insurance doesn't cover it and you know Bob's you got to be in my office to get it I got to stick a needle in your arm so we yeah it's not as easy as you know it would be really cool if I just gave you a little pill of ozone that'd be very cool then I'd put everybody on there um so normally what I do is I test the mitochondria I look at their clinical condition and uh if if it looks like it warrants it yeah I'm gonna pull out the bigger guns and I'm going to put them on ozone therapy and if if people were to come to my clinic Jack they would see a big old infusion room and like lots of people all day long going in and out getting ozone therapy all day long they walk down the hallway they're going to see people getting ozone the Asana they walk down the hallway a little bit further they're going to see people get ozone the colonic there's ozone all over the place in there I'm shooting those on into people's knees I'm shooting into their sinuses I'm shooting into the vaginas I'm shooting it all over the place in another part of the office there's ozone going on all over the place but obviously as a doctor you know if I can find a simpler way to do something I'm going to do that for and for a lot of people it's just a matter of Lifestyle about the things that doctors are already telling them yeah don't eat the Twinkies eat something that's appropriate to do take some B vitamins how about we detox off of little heavy metals oh yes and by the way you need to exercise oh really yeah you actually do need to exercise and if you do all these things will bring you back recheck your test recheck you might have Conjuring you'll see what I'm talking about amazing stuff amazing stuff uh Dr schallenberg could tell me how uh how can my listeners find out more about you and what you're doing obviously the books you published how to reach you uh and how to see you in person in uh in Nevada well first of all I'd like to uh recommend they go to YouTube and I've got a lot of stuff on YouTube by the way but one of the things that recently I put up there is called disease is optional and it's a five-part series each part is like 20 minutes long and it goes into this whole mitochondria thing that we were just discussing only it's a more and a lot greater detail so if you go to YouTube and just search shallenberger disease is optional that series will come up and that'll teach you a whole lot about the mitochondria in the testing process the other thing is that uh my book bursting with energy which is still in the old Edition right now the new edition's coming out in a couple of months uh but that book is a pretty good book to read and and help people to explain uh you know why we want them to do these things and you know what one of the things that I think all clinicians learn eventually is that most people will do what you tell them to do if they understand why you're telling them to do that but when you go in to see a doctor and the doctor says look I want you to stop eating your Twinkies I want you to start getting on your bicycle I want to do this this and this but he doesn't explain why you're probably not going to do it so so what's nice about the book that's called bursting with energy is explains to people why these things that everybody's telling them are good for them why in fact they are really good and they're much more likely to stay with that and you also I would recommend uh you mentioned my my newsletter second opinion newsletter if they go online and just plug in uh second opinion newsletter that's a pretty good newsletter to kind of stay on top of some of the more interest because you know you you said well caliber you've been out there for 50 some odd years doing this stuff but you know it's funny Jack I think I'm like still in first grade there is so much that I don't know and it's so exciting and one of the most fun things I have is making this newsletter because there's all this new stuff coming up uh that you know even I I don't know about this stuff and so it's it's very exciting but the newsletter is another good way to uh you know keep up to date with what's going on yeah I think about my former life as a conventional cardiologist and and just how easy it was right somebody comes in blood pressure's high here's Pharmaceuticals cholesterol is an issue here's some Pharmaceuticals you need an angioplasty stent you know let's do that like the toolbox that we have in those situations is actually very small now you get over into the causative space now you get into you know holistic medicine Integrative Medicine functional medicine and just as you said like we're all in first grade there's there's this whole world and it's like every day there's something new which is exciting but it can make it a little bit difficult for for all of us to keep up with with uh you know with this information and modality so again your book is uh fantastic reference YouTube channel second opinion newsletter we'll put all these links in the show notes and uh you know again Dr schallenberg I sincerely appreciate your time being on this episode of the healthy heart show hey Jack's been great talking with you by the way and maybe we'll get together next time and talk a little bit more specifically about cardiovascular disease because I wanted to slam dunks of ozone therapies cardiovascular disease there's a lot of very interesting things we could talk about well I'll tell you what we'll do that we'll we'll nail it down for uh for next time I think uh yeah I would love to talk to you a second time to get to get the 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The Power of Ozone Therapy: Dr. Frank Shallenberger (Dr. Joy Kong Podcast #41)
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I've been loving ozone therapy and so do a lot of practitioners and a lot of patients A lot of people are using it at home inexpensive 100 safe with a wide variety of applications including cardiovascular disease cancer immune related diseases hello everybody thank you so much for coming to this channel Dr joycom podcast where I can share some of the latest and most profound changes in medicine to help you and enhance your health enhance your longevity and today I have a um a illuminary guest Dr Frank shallenberger I'm so honored to have him here um Dr shallenberger first of all thank you for coming on to this podcast I'm glad to be here Joy thank you yeah so I've known you for quite a few years and you are a Pioneer in the field of uh ozone therapy regenerative medicine so um I think there's a lot of wisdom you can share with everybody and let me just uh introduce you a little bit um to the audience so Dr schallenberger has been practicing medicine for 50 years he's the developer of the prolozone which has become very popular very widespread therapy uh it's an injection technique that has been shown to alleviate pain and regenerate degenerative joints spines tendons and soft tissues he has been teaching annual training seminars in ozone therapy to practitioners from all over the world for 23 years he's also the editor of second opinion medical newsletter and author of the type 2 diabetes breakthrough and busting with energy both of which are in their fourth printing so very impressive Dr has been educating Physicians for a very long time and it's highly respected and loved so I'm just so honored to have Dr Shalom Berger here with us thank you for that nice introduction Joy yeah so um you know I you know I've been loving ozone therapy and so do a lot of practitioners and a lot of patients A lot of people are using it at home you know with the ozoneated water with the ozonated um we're doing you know rectal vaginal or other type of uh you know ear insufflation so there's so much to talk about for ozone because there's tremendous interest um I want to ask you about your journey with ozone how did you even know about it and get interested in it and not to mention bringing it to the US and as you are considered the father of ozone therapy in the U.S so maybe you can share a little bit of your journey well um I think maybe I'll just uh give credit to the whole rest of the world um ozone therapy has been going on for a really long time it's not a newcomer I know for a lot of people maybe especially doctors they're that they you know not aware of ozone therapy but it's been in practice for over 150 years and it was first discovered back in the 1700s and um then later on in the 1800s it started using it as a disinfectant and just so just so listeners understand this ozone is a form of oxygen it's got nothing to do with pollution it's true that in pollution there is Ozone but but ozone's got nothing to do with pollution per se it's just pure oxygen the difference between ozone and the regular oxygen that we breathe is that ozone has three oxygen atoms whereas the normal oxygen that we breathe has two oxygen atoms that third oxygen atom is what accounts for the ozone's unique properties it makes it a highly more uh reactive substance than regular oxygen so as we're going through this conversation this morning uh when I when we talk about administering ozone into patients it's a pure form of oxygen but it's you'll get things happening when you administer ozone to a patient that you would never get by administering just normal oxygen so anyhow back in the uh early 80s uh I I heard about this and in Europe they were doing it had been doing it ever since uh you know the early 1900s uh interestingly enough uh uh um a man that people will have heard of for sure uh by the name of uh uh Tesla uh was the was the uh the genius that in the early 1900s I actually came up with the first ozone uh equipment designed specifically for medical purposes so it goes way back is my point and uh and uh so back in the early 80s I went up went to uh went to Germany to learn about it and I was just absolutely astounded by what I heard and what we can talk about today it's almost hard to believe what did you see in Germany that has sounded you well at first of all was the history the history is phenomenal uh and it goes back to uh you know so many Geniuses that we've we've all heard about um and you start to wonder how how did this thing get overlooked uh and we could talk a little bit about how what the answer to that might be but but anyhow that's one thing that astounded me the other thing that sounded me is the broad application base you can put ozone into any body part I mean literally any body part the only part of the body I have not injected ozone into would be the brain other than that I have put it in every possible place in the human body it's it's very so it's very applicable that way you can apply it in uh to the bloodstream you can use it systemically uh and uh and that's what I learned it was a four day a four day conference and I just it was an eye-opener and I can't I came back home here to the U.S and uh started using it and what I started to realize well I'll tell you a story so here's here's how this worked out so many things that happened to doctors you know we accidentally learn about for doctors and scientists but anyhow so uh one of the things they taught me in Germany was that rheumatoid arthritis uh is caused by a bacteria no no uh I think I think you know most rheumatologists are aware of this this connection but but but they said what you can do is if you've got a rheumatoid patient with a very swollen rheumatoid knee you uh there's that's because there's a German there and you can inject ozone in because ozone kills germs 100 kills everything germs viruses whatever and uh you can inject that in there you kill the germ and the knee gets better so I thought okay fine well as fate would have it uh when I got back to the U.S sure enough some woman walks into the office with rheumatoid arthritis some very painful swollen knees and I told her look I just learned this new thing let's shoot some ozone into the knee and we did that and she comes back in a couple weeks ago oh yeah my knees like way better and then so that so so the but the real tip off was about four or five weeks later her next door neighbor comes in and she says I want you to eject my knee like you did so and so and uh and I said yeah but she had rheumatoid you don't have rheumatoid you have uh what's called degenerative knee you have arthritic it's all busted up and tight knee you don't have rheumatoid and uh uh so I don't know that ozone's going to do you any good at all and uh and I said in fact maybe it'll even hurt you I really don't know this is unchartered territory and so then she says to me so look just inject my knee I don't care if it works I don't care if it makes me worse because the point is they want me they want me to replace that my whole name they don't want me to go in the surgery and place the whole knee so I got nothing to lose so I said okay so we'll try it out so we darn if it didn't work so then my eyes were open I said what the heck is going on here you've got a knee that's degenerated and the cartilage is wasted and the ligaments inside the knees are damaged it's full of fluid it's got blood in there the woman can hardly walk and all of a sudden she gets better what the heck happened and that that was back in like the mid 80s and that started me on this journey to kind of learn what was going on and we maybe could talk a little bit about that but that's that's how I first started to realize you know what this ozone thing causes tissues to heal later on I learned it also takes away pain so even if you have a condition for example that's not correctable uh for example not long ago I had a woman walk in the office with very bad neck pain but she had had uh quite a few surgeries to her neck and the neck was actually deformed from all the surgeries and the fusions and such and I told her look it's impossible for me to correct this but I can take away the pain at least which is for her as far as she's concerned she don't care what the X-ray looks like she just says you know I'm in pain so take the pain away I'm okay and sure enough that's what happened so ozone takes away pain and it regenerates joints and that's a huge thing so how do you think the ozone molecule is doing all this it's a stimulant number one what I subsequently learned is that most uh most a degenerate degenerated areas in the body whether it's the back the neck the knee whatever it is most of them are infected they're usually infected with mycoplasma and this is well established in the literature but they're infected and it's not the usual kind of infection doctors are used to that causes a fever and inflammation it's sort of a sub-acute biofilm type of infection in the knee so ozone gets rid of that so it gets rid of that uh secondly it stimulates and this is all in the literature by the way it stimulates stem cells and it attracts stem cells and it stimulates what we call a chondroblasts which is cells that regenerate cartilage so so the problem the problem is uh that if you look at Chronic degenerative sorts of pains that people have they don't have any young people they're having an old people and and so what's the deal on that you know it you don't have to be too much of a genius to figure out well it's got the older you get you the healing mechanisms in your body your stem cells your blast cells your circulation all the factors that come into to Healing aren't there like they used to be when you're 20 years old and you and you hurt your knee it heals up and you expect it to heal up but when you're 60 years old and you injure your knee on the ski slope you're not terribly surprised to find out six months later it's still hurting it's not healing so what ozone does is it stimulates our natural regenerative healing mechanisms to behave more like they would of 20 30 years ago so you started using ozone with joints right that's when you started and then um how did it evolve over the years say like over a 10 15 year period of time um I started to learn some of these things that I just said uh uh number one it takes away infections and and I've developed the opinion Joy that Garner everything that happens to us that's bad as we get older there's a microbe involved mm-hmm and uh and so once I realized that I said well that may mean that ozone is appropriate for darn or anything that walks on the door so I started thinking about say bladder infections shoot ozone into the bladder clears up a bladder infection suppose by the way it's also anti-cancer so you could take ozone and and use it and inject it in areas where there's cancer and it'll kill the cancer cells I got some great stories to tell people about bladder cancer for example um and so it kills in kills kills microbes it stimulates stems and blast cells it takes away inflammation it takes away oxidant stress and all of those things are what we need to get our bodies to heal better yeah so so you started injecting into various organs and tissues and when did you start to inject into the blood that was something I learned in Germany they but at least since the early 60s so for the listeners we we put a needle in the vein we take blood out in a bag very similar to if you went to Red Cross and you were donating blood same idea so your blood comes out into the bag we then inject ozone which is a gas it's oxygen so we inject the ozone into the bag move the bag up and down mix the two together the ozone is instantaneously reactive so basically it's going to take that blood with all the various very interesting cells in that blood and it's gonna react with those cells in such a way that they're changed and we Infuse those cells back into the body it's a closed system but it goes out ozone goes in blood goes back in very simple pretty quick uh you can do this in is as short as like 5-10 minutes and but when that blood goes back into the patient's body of course it's blood it's it's treated blood now but it's blood and it's going to go everywhere it's going to go on their brains going to go on their hearts it's going to go on their liver left ankle whatever it's going everywhere and that treated blood has some very interesting properties to it and stimulates all kinds of interesting things but most of the kinds of things I just talked about it'll get rid of oxidant stress revs up antioxidant enzymes kills any microbes can disable cancer cells it stimulates detoxification in the liver it reduces inflammation and as as you know as listeners are hearing me rattle off all these effects of ozone if if they're thinking to themselves that can't possibly be true one molecule can't possibly cause all of that stuff to happen then they would be thinking they would they would be thinking what what would normally be true yeah I mean there's no molecule that I am aware of outside of ozone that has that many properties but they're all well documented and the stuff really does work as advertised right and ozone is naturally produced by the human body correct that is true and that's a good point and that was shown in uh 2004 at Scripps University where uh what happens with our immune systems uh is that we have an antibody the antibody goes out and grabs on to say a virus it'll grab onto that virus and then it's going to haul that virus into a macrophage cell which is an immune cell that will kill the virus uh but um in order for that system to work when the antibody grabs onto the virus it has to neutralize the virus because if it doesn't neutralize the virus and then hauls it into the macrophage now the macrophage is infected and it'll and there's a good likelihood it'll kill the macrophize so that so the antibody has to neutralize the virus and it neutralizes it with ozone it actually produces and releases ozone once the virus is neutralized causing the macrophages and then the rest is history yeah amazing yeah that must be pretty exciting when you saw that uh the antibody was able to produce ozone molecules yeah because you know most people think ozone toxic and if in fact if you go into the Library of Medicine and plug in Ozone probably 95 of everything that you read Lisa used to be this way is is about how toxic ozone is to the lungs and how bad it is to breathe ozone and this and that uh and that's just no no reality to that at all but that's mostly what you see I see it and is it true that ozomolecules also can make red blood cells more pliable yeah so it's exceedingly good for circulatory problems hmm so you have the substance here that number one is cheap it's pennies to make ozone it's nothing it's almost nothing so you got a substance that's extremely inexpensive you got a substance that when used properly is entirely safe there's like nothing ever significant that can go wrong with anybody ever inexpensive 100 safe with a wide variety of applications including cardiovascular disease cancer immune related diseases infections injuries pain I mean how can you go wrong it's really astounding when you add all this together and look at it and there are many countries in the world where it's a accepted part of medical treatment right yeah that's right so uh it's certainly in Germany which is where a lot of this was originally developed uh certainly in Germany uh definitely in the Middle East all throughout the Middle East uh also uh all in a lot of areas in South America uh it's it's all over the world it's very big time in China China does a ton of research on ozone therapy right I think they they've got so many people and they definitely what would be smart enough to use something that's cheap and effective and I think also in Russia it's also part of the map yeah that's true too in Spain and Italy that's my my impression that's absolutely true yeah in those countries it's actually covered by their health insurance and in this country that's not true so why do you think there has been such a vehement opposition to ozone therapy at least uh from the the medical uh establishment well okay so the medical establishment was controlled by Pharma and Pharma has has worked with the government to ensure that anything that's cheap and inexpensive that could uh could could actually work really well would be absolutely impossible to patent you couldn't patent it so they've arranged so the legal system here in the United States is such that in order to get ozone approved by insurance companies including Medicare uh you would have to you know Pony up like 20 million dollars worth of of research data to get that through because they won't accept the research data that's already published this country will not Farmers arrange it so this country the uh the the organizations this country will not honor research outside the U.S and we have 4 000 papers that that are published in peer-reviewed respectable scientific journals but those are completely 100 overlooked because they're not published here in the United States very few of them we actually have a few pubs here in the United States but it's not adequate to meet all the criteria that Pharma set up with the government and so there's no way it's ever going to get approved here in the United States unless somebody comes around changes the law it's just not going to happen that's okay we can use it but you're just not going to get insurance to pay for it that's all I see I see so um I mean the the use has been I think it has blossomed I mean you've been doing this for decades uh what do you see in the changes of how much ozone has been accepted uh it's it's really remarkable um when I when we first actually I started teaching this alert like I said I learned about it in the 80s and then towards the end of the 80s you know I thought you know people need to know about this there's two darn many people suffering from conditions that I can clear up in a heartbeat with ozone and and people need to know about this I'm not because I'm not going to be the only guy that knows about this so so starting in the early 90s I started teaching doctors uh the first class I had we had a total of six doctors there and uh Zoom that went too big but you know nowadays we do three classes a year we limit it to 80 doctors on each class uh it gets sold out typically within two to three days and people call up and they're all upset and I said you gotta wait till the next class blah blah blah but but we now have thousands and thousands of doctors all over the US and in fact we get doctors from all the rest of the world that have come and learned all this kind of stuff yeah um and yeah so now there's just like lots of doctors in and joy one of the things that was so interesting to me is that um you know as a physician you know the listeners should know that us doctors we need to uh do continuing education units uh every year or two in order to maintain our licensure and uh so so about two years ago I'm I'm doing that and I went to an orthopedic seminar just to hear what you know they were going to teach there and darn if one of the lectures wasn't about using ozone on knees and in surgery and so yeah so even two years ago it was it's starting to get mainstreamed the only thing that's holding it back literally is the fact that the system is so heavily invested in surgery and and it would get rid of 80 90 percent of surgeries you know all these surgeries that are done on knees and shoulders and necks and backs gone most of them are gone with with uh and that's been published by the way most of them are gone with uh with ozone therapy and uh so that's one of the things that holds it back and of course the other one is that uh while the insurance company will pay for a fifty thousand dollar knee replacement they won't pay for a like a two thousand dollar ozone treatment that fixes the knee in the same way right right yeah so when when you inject lzone into a joint do you get some kind of inflammatory reaction initially do people get possibly exacerbation the pain or swelling like what have you seen well when I learned in Germany um what you do is you just take a needle put it in the knee shoot ozone in and when I say knee that could be ankle it could be finger it could be shoulder whatever um and you shoot the ozone just the Ozone gas in and the knee gets better uh after I did that a couple few times I realized it hurts like heck ozone is is a little irritating so you put that into a need that's already irritated it hurts like heck so then I got to thinking well if it were my knee getting ejected I think I'd want to shoot some novocaine in there first so at that point I had already studied in Germany and learned about this treatment called neural therapy neural therapy is another form of treatment for pain which involves injecting novocaine into areas of pain turns out that novocaine uh although everybody knows it as a local anesthetic the dentist would use uh to do what they're going to do it also has the property of healing it has a very healing property to procaine and it was what does what we call stabilized damaged membranes which is part of the reason things won't heal because the membranes are damaged so I thought to myself well look why don't we put some procaine in or some novocaine in there it'll stabilize the membranes and it'll numb everything up so that when I shoot the ozone in it won't hurt and that was and so I started doing that and that's I I started calling that prolozone I see uh uh because of the the procaine and the ozone so we started putting those together and then after a while I started realizing you know if I'm going to be injecting protein which is a liquid now so the needle goes in we inject the liquid I switch the needle stays in I switch the syringes shoot the ozone in then pull the needle out I thought as long as I'm injecting a liquid what other things could I put in there that might help and that's been a transition over the last 20 30 years where we've you know gradually learned that putting a little glucose in there works really well putting some B vitamins in there particularly thiamin works pretty well putting some trace minerals in there works well there's some anti-inflammatory homeopathics and so basically I created this sort of recipe if you will it's like making soup the the the the key ingredient is Ozone but these other ingredients uh make the process better so it doesn't hurt at all in fact people will come in they'll have pain for the last 20 years when they leave my office the Pain's gone this is typical this is very typical It's Not Unusual yeah so they get immediate response and then it stimulates the healing and it even works better than the ozone by itself I see amazing so so you would inject the ozone and then you inject the rest of your recipe yeah so now now I've evolved to the point where this is what's common uh I'll inject ozone in there and in using this technique with the procaine and the vitamins and shoot the ozone in there then I'll bring them back in a week and uh once I've prepped them with that I'll do the same thing again and I'll put in what's called platelets PRP these platelets which have growth factors in them so I shoot the platelets in there then I bring them back in four weeks now very often when they come back in four weeks they're completely well that's the end of that wow done deal walking normally no limping out doing whatever they want to do dancing skiing whatever they want to do everything's just fine uh but if they're not um at that point uh I'm probably just going to shoot some stem cells in there because what's going to happen is prepping that knee is going to make those stem cells work a lot better and uh you know the audience should understand the stem cells are expensive uh that's just the way they are and so you don't want to waste them you want to make sure you get the most bang out of your buck on these stem cells and I've found that if I pre-treat with this ozone technique I get really much better results with everything else so now I've got procaine mixed with all that stuff I've got ozone I've got platelets and then stem cells I mean there's like nobody ever gets sent to surgery it just doesn't happen the only action the only time my patients ever what go get surgery is when they say you know what what you're doing is as expensive it's not covered by my insurance company so I'd rather go get the thirty thousand dollar surgery since it's covered by my insurance company right yeah that's the only reason they go to the surgery because I like pretty much 100 of the time we're going to take care of this yeah amazing and I know there's a a bit of a different approach when it comes to injecting ozone and mixing with the blood so there are two camps and mainly I think one is the to draw the blood out and mixing with the blood you can do it in just regular you know one past system or the popular temp pass but the other way you know per you know that's um promoted by certain doctors actually inject the Ozone gas directly into the bloodstream and and I know that you are not a big fan of that um so and maybe you can explain a little bit you know why why you don't think that's uh you know the best approach although definitely some practitioners swear by it yeah there's no doubt that it works okay it does work it just doesn't work very well but it's very clear that it works I think a lot of practitioners uh are excited by the fact that it's a lot simpler procedure I won't say it's a lot simpler it's just simpler and so you just put a needle into the vein take a syringe of Ozone gas and very slowly inject it into the vein yeah and and uh you know it's going to create little embolisms it's going to create some irritation to your lungs you're going to start coughing you'll get a rapid heart rate uh and such like that you go slowly slowly slowly you don't get as many of those things uh there is some one complication is if you happen to have a patent what they call a patent arterio ductus there's a little hole between the hearts if and it's quite common something like 15 of people have this it's a hole between the two Chambers and the heart if if you have that and one of these ozone bubbles gets through that hole into the other side of the heart and go to the brain and kill you so so the only time we have ever seen anybody die from ozone therapy is using that technique um that that technique is is has a certain amount of danger to it and uh and it's it's uncomfortable and it's kind of time consuming and it's very limited on how much ozone you can give normally you couldn't give more than say two milligrams of ozone uh and but using that technique it's just your body can't take it uh on the other hand if we use the proper technique the one you mentioned where you pull the Blood Out treat the blood directly and then put the treated blood back in you can use 400 milligrams of ozone you go from two milligrams to 400 milligrams and and in many cases diseases are not fixed adequately until you get to the higher Doses and you can't do that with that technique so the American Academy of ozone therapy really discourages and in fact we we forbid our members to use that particular technique because it's way less efficient there's a certain amount of danger and it's uncomfortable and it takes a lot of time because the doctors got to sit there in order to get that two milligrams in he's got to sit there for like maybe 20 minutes and very slowly inject the gas in because you can't put it in too fast so you'll knock the person off um so it's just not a good way to go it's not it's not efficient okay yeah I've heard some of you know um thoughts on this by some practitioners that they think that it you know injecting directly into the bloodstream allows a more Dynamic exchange that um that you are able to you know over the time maybe of half an hour you're touching the entire circulatory system instead of just a portion of blood that you were able to mix well that's just not true um you're still you're still when when the Ozone gas gets into the blood it is going to instantaneously react it doesn't circulate throughout the body it instantaneously reacts with the blood just like it does in the bag and so that that's just not true uh the bag you put in the blood in it's going everywhere if you shoot it in the gas it goes it treats the blood that blood goes everywhere so it goes everywhere no matter which technique you're using the point is though if you do it correctly by treating the blood correctly instead of getting this much ozone in the body and in the blood you can get that much ozone in the blood and finally and the dose does make a difference you get higher doses you can do things that you can't do with these tiny little doses uh that some of these doctors use yeah okay so what about the other methods you know people are using um ozonated water ozonated oil and then they are doing years insufflation or vaginal rectal uh methods what what uh what are your thoughts on first of all like ozonated water okay so you can ozonate water uh and when you do that means you bubble in the Ozone gas you're bubbling it through water so imagine a glass of water with a little bubbler at the bottom and you're bubbling the gas through the water and as that's happening uh what's the gas itself is getting trapped in the water so it's analogous of what happens to a soda pop so in a soda pop you have CO2 gas trapped in the water now if you UNS that's under pressure in there so if you unscrew the top of the bottle that CO2 gas is gradually going to come out of the liquid it might take what two hours or something and then you go back and you taste and it's flat meaning the CO2 is you know evaporated out of the liquid ozones like that when you ozonate water the ozone is actually in the water now you have to drink it right away because if you don't drink it right away the ozones and you let that glass sit there for half an hour the ozone will come out of the water saying and and quote turn flat if you will but once you bubble the ozone through the water you got actual Ozone gas in that water so then you drink that water and you just drank Ozone gas now it's going to get into your body primarily right through your uh your stomach but it'll also get into the small bowel and when it's in the stomach and in the small bowel if there's any bacteria there and that are undesirable anything not quite right there it'll kill it in a story the other thing is that gas will get absorbed into your bloodstream and so it is a way to treat the blood and the entire body by drinking it not nearly as powerful as treating blood directly but really easy to do and this is something that lay people can do at home uh The Listener should know you can go and buy your own ozone generator and treat yourself and your family and probably get rid of half the trips you need to go to ever see a doctor so viruses it's a it's a it's the death sentence the viral infections so you have that at home you learn how to use it you start coming down with a cold or flu or one of your kids does or something like that you can knock it out with the ozone and I'll just give you a little plug I wrote a book called the ozone miracle I can get it on amazon.com it and uh it's also available on Kindle so that book is specifically written for Lay people for two things one is how they can use ozone at home on themselves and their family and two is uh explaining to them all these the wonders of all these things I've been talking about about how well it works and what the mechanism of action is but yeah so you can take you can that's one way to get ozonian is bubble it through water and drink the water you can also bubble it through water and give the water intravenously oh yeah and you can get way higher doses yeah you can give way higher doses than yeah than drinking it I see and it's directly into the bloodstream yeah yeah I've seen people I mean practitioners doing that yes donate the water I mean the IV fluid yeah so what what's handy about that is sometimes we have patients come in and their veins are no good yeah uh and uh you want to give them a blood treatment uh but you can't really but if you put in a port or a PICC line or one of these other ways to access the vein you can very easily do uh ozonated water through those ports amazing yeah and uh you know people may ask if you let's say you drink ozonated water and it's going to kill a lot of the bad microbes but what about the good microbes the probiotics and is is it going to hurt them it's so fascinating uh healthy cells uh and what we would call Friendly bacteria know how to deal with oxygen oxygen is actually a toxic substance uh and so for listeners to understand yeah every time you breathe you're breathing in a toxic substance it's called oxygen uh and uh now obviously it's a relatively low level of toxicity but it's still a toxic substance uh but that's okay because our cells in our body have the ability to deal properly with the oxygen it's not toxic to healthy cells but to unhealthy cells cells that are infected cells that are toxic cells that are turning cancerous cells that are cancerous they can't deal with the oxygen it will kill them it'll eat the healthy cells alone in fact it'll do better than that you always want to make the healthy cells stronger while at the same time differentiating and knocking off the unhealthy cells it's it's fantastic that way and if the same thing is true for the bacteria so if you want one of the ways to treat livers like liver disease is to put Ozone gas into the rectum like you would an anima for example and uh and so so you would think oh if I put the gas in there it's going to kill all the bacteria in there no it doesn't it only kills the bacteria that can't handle oxygen and those are always the pathogenic or bad bacteria the healthy bacteria can withstand it amazing that's fascinating so um maybe we can wrap up by talking about some of the you know the range of cases you've seen that um that people have really benefited from you know the ozone therapy and probably some have really surprised you maybe you can share some of those examples well I'm constantly surprised I've only been doing this for what 40 some odd years but but I'm still amazed it's hard for me to believe that uh that somebody would have say in regenerative medicine somebody would have a problem for so darn long and and I'd come right along and fix it in a matter of weeks or months it's just it's astounding to me um so we talked a little bit about the regenerative aspects but some of the other aspects that are amazing well the first thing that comes to mind is viruses it's a slam dunk and yes ladies and gentlemen for the more recent virus that has shown up that is quote kill lots of people um 100 treatable 100 never never have a problem any virus any viral infection that comes along 100 why is that it's because all viruses share the same issue and that is they cannot tolerate the oxidizing stress of ozone period and the story at the same time it's killing virus it also activates the immune system in a special way and for anybody that's a listener that knows about this I'll just I can just say that it it activates th1 immunity and deactivates th2 Immunity which is exactly what you want to do to knock out viruses so it not only kills the virus directly it also kills the virus indirectly by modulating the immune system so that it works better because as everybody knows if you get infected with the virus it's not a problem unless you have a problem with your immune system so you got to fix that immune system and that's ultimately what's going to cure you and ozone can do that it's just great for cardiovascular disease Joy I can I can promise if somebody walks in my office and says you know I've had four stents and the doctor says I need another stent uh I've got cardiovascular disease I have this bad history I've got angina I can basically slam dunk from me I love these cases I just give them some intravenous those home we do other things of course but uh you know the the ozone absolutely takes that that out of it won't clean up the arteries so if your arteries gunked up uh it won't degunk your artery but what it will do is it will make the heart cells and the uh and the arterial cells the cells that align the arteries secrete more nitric oxide which means they can utilize the oxygen they are getting better most of the time that uh the the patients have cardiovascular disease it's not just about the plaque blocking off the flow it is about that to a degree but it's also about the tissue itself not being able to utilize oxygen efficiently and that combination of not being able to utilize oxygen efficiently along with having fewer less oxygen getting there is what gives you the disease we can't take the plaque out but we can fix the cell so that the amount of oxygen that's getting to the cell the cell can use 100 percent and basically take away the problem so you can use it along with a stand you know there's no no if if you got somebody that's seriously yell and actually needs a stand there needs a bypass surgery fine uh you know pre-treedom with ozone before they go have their surgery or their stent do that for about three or four weeks so that the cells are great they'll heal great and uh and uh and then the surgery will work a lot better okay wonderful so we talked about antiviral cardiovascular condition we you know covered probably all kinds of muscular skeletal issues yeah yeah and then ligament um even bone bone issue right you've had yeah you know we you can eject it into fractured sites uh a lot of the time somebody will come in with a say a cracked humeral head shoulder a bone and they've had a fall and it's been cracked and they're in pain they can't hardly move their shoulder I can shoot ozone into that joint and make it heal twice as fast it reminds me of a guy that came out from Texas once and he calls me up and he says you know what I had shoulder surgery for a rotator cuff injury a year and a half ago and uh it the problem was that that the The Joint got infected as a result of the surgery and ever since then I've been on intravenous antibiotics to try and kill the infection I've had two or three more surgeries to kind of clean everything out and now I'm a year and a half down the line not only is the shoulder continually infected it's now going down my arm and they're telling me I'm going to have to amputate my entire shoulder and arm so this is a dramatic case and I said well look you better get your butt over here and let us work on you so he stayed up there for a good uh I want to say four or five weeks and we put ozone every place put into its blood put it into his arm put it into his wrist put into his skin obviously inject it into her shoulder over and over again long story guys perfectly well yeah after six weeks he's perfectly well he suffered for a year and a half the doctors didn't know about ozone they didn't know that about this not it's not not their fault so much they didn't know about it I fixed him in six weeks I'm not a genius it's not that it's just that I happen to know that this stuff works right and the sad part is when he goes back to the doctor the doctor May say oh okay well good for you and that will be the end of it and they are exactly the doctor never called me up and said my goodness what the heck did you do that's that's not the way the system works folks if you think that system is out there for your benefit understand it's out there for pharma's benefit it's out there for the insurance company's benefit the politicians benefit wherever you want to call but it's not there for you necessarily you might be uh you might be down the line a little bit but it's not really there for you yeah the sooner people wake up to that fact and stop you know worshiping the words of uh their doctors and that's you know and that's in the traditional um you know Loop you know it's it's really a yeah a very self self sustaining Loop unfortunately not for the best outcome for patients that's well said that's exactly right yeah yeah and what other systems um have you seen benefits in you know I really you know when you have cancer especially if you have the later stages of cancer um it's almost impossible to fix uh and but ozone should be 100 of the time it should always be used along with surgery radiation and chemo because when you do that the following is going to happen one you're going to improve your chances of survival by about 30 percent it doesn't sound like a lot it's not a hundred percent but thirty percent is better than what we now have which is three percent so you're going to have 10 times better results statistically speaking when you combine those therapies with ozone the second thing is that because they enhance your healthy cells and chemo and radiation kill your healthy cells it preserves the healthy cells so you have way fewer side effects one of the more common side effects from radiation and uh chemo is infections it knocks out the immune system and you get an infection infection could actually kill you a lot of people with the late stage cancers don't die from the cancer so much they die from some sort of infection that was induced um from the the treatments the radiation and or the chemo but also since it's such a marvelous stimulant of the immune system even in the presence of the chemo you don't get the infections you you literally don't get any infections you um you get way fewer side effects and you get a much better outcome so that it really ought to it's a it's a crying shame that every oncologist in the country doesn't incorporate this with their patients and I would encourage all the listeners if you have cancer find a doctor in your area that does ozone therapy so that while you're getting your treatments uh from the oncologist you're also getting the benefits of ozone to combine with that and uh good story so a guy comes in to see me he's a VA guy uh and uh he's got a squamous cell of his throat and and he goes to the VA and he says uh you know they want to radiate me and they tell me if they radiate me I won't have any saliva left the likelihood is pretty good my teeth are going to fall out and they might fry my esophagus so that I can't swallow and and he says well what should I do and I said well you know what the radiation is very effective for the cancer uh so you're going to have to do the radiation but let me treat you with ozone at the same time and you're going to have way less chance of those side effects happening so that's what we did and at the end of about six or nine months his oncologist tells him he says uh Fred you have done so much better uh than most of my patients in here uh you you you you still have your saliva none of your teeth fell out and you never really had any problem with swallowing the whole time we're just amazed at how well you did so I want you to talk to my other patients and explain to them what a good job we do okay so Fred tells him he says I will doc but you gotta understand the same time you were giving me this I was seeing shallenberger over there and I was getting those on therapy and that's why I did so well yeah so I'll be happy to talk to him but I'm gonna tell them what happened and his response of course was well in that case you can't talk to him oh my goodness oh no kidding true story true story Fred Fred never got to talk to him that's sad yeah so that's so oncology is uh is a huge aspect of what it's good for uh and you know it can be good for like colitis you can put ozone in the rectum for colitis Interstitial cystitis is a terrible disease that's mostly limited to women that uh completely messes up their bladder their sex life uh very often they can't sleep it's just a disaster there is no treatment for it at all except for one pill which doesn't work very well and only has the minor side effects of causing balding you lose your hair and and you get macular degeneration from it so so there's really no good way to treat this those are almost 100 on it do you inject directly into the bladder yeah direct those home straight into the bladder wow yeah so there's there's so many uh so many ways that you can use this stuff that's why why it's so cool if you came to my office you'd see ozone all over the place got General we got about 17 generators in the office all over the place and all the and all the exam rooms we got ozone saunas we got those on colonics we got ozone in the bloodstream because it was on Saline you're drinking ozone it's it's all over the place because you know kind of the more you pile it together the better it works okay so you I know ozone sauna has become fairly popular you think there's some added benefits to doing it through the sauna route I think that Sonic can be really helpful it's certainly good suppose you want to treat somebody uh that either one is a little kid and doesn't want to be stuck with needles or two you want to treat somebody that has no Advantage you can't get to their veins the veins have been shot for whatever reason um so how are you going to get get them a nose on treatment well one way to do it is with a Sonic because it gets absorbed through the skin yeah and this is especially good if you have skin disorders like atopic dermatitis or psoriasis one of those it's especially good for those because it's going to hit the skin but it'll also get in it's a systemic treatment it's very good at enhancing the immune system for example so a lot of the times when patients are getting treated with from from uh by me say either with cancer or with some um bad systemic autoimmune disease or something like that they're going to get treated from their blood they're going to get treated in their rectum and they're going to get treated in the sauna we're coming at them every which way wow we get better results when we throw all that stuff at them wonderful amazing so where can people find you to um to get some of your magic combinations of treatments we'll give you a couple of resources here for the audience uh number one if you find a doctor in your area go to the American Academy of ozone therapy website um and there are the the doctors that are all listed on that website have all been through the whole training they've passed certification examinations they've done case studies and these are people that really know what they're doing and so that website is a-a-o-t American Academy ozone therapy aaot.us and hopefully you'll find a doctor pretty close to you to um learn more about it you can go on Amazon and plug in my name uh uh shallenberger and uh you'll see there's a number of books that I've written you can go to YouTube and plug in ozone therapy and you'll learn a ton not just from me but there's a lot of people that have put YouTube stuff up and uh if you want to learn a little bit about what we're doing in Northern Nevada you can go to my website which is pretty easy to remember it's anti-agingmedicine.com antiagingmedicine.com and you go to the website there's a lot of information on the website and we tell you how we treat things and and how the body heals itself and all that stuff yeah amazing thank you so much thank you for bringing this to all the people that are in need in the US I you know I can't imagine how many people's lives you've saved and improved what a contribution and thank you for your courage and your conviction and uh I I love going to your conference and learning from you and we'll continue to do so so thank you so much for a great episode I think we are clearing up a lot of you know aspects about ozone therapy I think people are going to find this super helpful good good great joy thanks for putting it on yeah thank you thank you for being here [Music]

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