Dr. Ed Park - Anti-Aging & Healing With Exosomes (The Trail To Health Ep 27)
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[Music] hello and welcome back to the next episode of this Healthy Life podcast I'm very excited for my guest today I have Dr Park who is a Harvard and Columbia trained doctor and he's been realizing that your body can do its own healing and for the last six years he's been using stem cell exomes to help himself family patients and other people that need to heal from chronic illness and using this natural biohack that we have available to us so Dr Park thank you so much for joining today this is a topic that I'm super excited about as some of you know if you've been following Along on my blog and my journey I did stem cell therapy in 2016 to recover from Lyme disease um I've done two different versions of stem cells since and I also did exosome therapy so this is all a topic that's very near and dear to my heart and so happy to have an expert on here today to share his wisdom so welcome thank you so much for joining great thanks Erica happy to help awesome so I'd love for you to start with a quick introduction about yourself and how you got into you know working with exomes which are you know something that's obviously been around forever but something that's very new and kind of up and coming in the health and regenerative medicine field sure um so I trained in OBGYN I did that for like 17 years and then my path took me more towards regenerative medicine I started to do toras activators which I've been taking for 17 years now so at age 57 I don't really have much gray hair and don't die no reading losses so that's what I've been doing for 17 years Years A lot of people have been on that Journey with me for 15 years or more and then six years ago I became aware of exosomes after hearing a lecture there was a doctor who had had a motorcycle crash broke a bunch of ribs collarbone ankle and he was up there laughing four weeks later I said well you know either he's full of it or there's something so I tried it on my knee fixed my Meniscus um my achilles and my rotator cuff so then slowly I started opening up to friends and family I just got a call from my sister this morning who was the biggest skeptic she's like uh 60 with like really bad arthritis and she's like yeah I have to admit it is kind of helping so it's just something that is based on the way that we normally heal so if you twist your ankle you'll release a bunch of stem cells in response to the inflammation which will secrete exosomes so now we just cut to face and give the exosomes and it just gets you healing at a remarkably Fast Pace MH amazing so let's talk a little bit about what exactly exosomes are and what the difference is between exosomes and St cells and if you can just kind of share some knowledge on that yeah I mean obviously the thing they share is that they both can do regenerative things as you experience by getting your autologous stem cell transplant the problem that people don't really understand is that stem cells are cells so there are a few microns uh in diameter exosomes are tiny they're 1300th 1500th the diameter so they're literally invisible when we thaw them you can't see them with any light micro microscope you need a electron microscope so they are tiny they're like the little words or songs or packages that self send to each other to modulate their behavior so lucky for us we're starting to learn that you don't really even need the stem cells because when you take someone else's stem cells all the studies show that they're gone within a few days especially if they're from you know like a sheep or something but even from someone that's like your daughter or your mom it's only 50% matched but in terms of the molecular handshake of self versus foreign they might as well be from a sheep so other people's stem cells will last a day or two but then your immune system will clear them during that time they'll exos which is great but like unlike the other things that people used to do with Prolotherapy and PRP which cause inflammation which bring in stem cells which secrete exosomes now for the last six years I've just been training people with exosomes and the results are very good awesome and so you mentioned Orthopedic conditions that exosomes can be really helpful for but in your scope of practice what are other conditions that you've seen exosomes helping people are they helping people with autoimmune conditions or neurodegenerative diseases or is it mostly Orthopedic applications I mean great question you know the thing about it is that it's really how your body heals naturally so whenever you give like a million times more than what you're already making good things tend to happen so like for example we have you know nerve damage Bells paly Facial Pain um I've never treated a stroke patient that didn't have some positive Improvement um a lot of neuropathies we have good success with but also as you say autoimmune conditions that's kind of our low hanging fruit too because for a month or two at least your immune system will simmer down and so that can be really helpful um our most popular procedure I've done over 2200 procedures is actually nasal injection which kind of leaks into the brain through the base of the skull so people find they have better focus sometimes their mood improves uh memory so that's something that you can get on top of in Terms of prevention of dementia Alzheimer's once somebody is really sick with Alzheimer's it's probably too late but um yeah no we have a lot of success with neurological stuff autoimmune and like you said msk awesome and then so are there certain candidates that you wouldn't be a good candidate for exosomes or is anyone out there I mean you just mentioned that if you're too far along with like Dementia or Alzheimers or something like that you may not be a great candidate but are there are certain conditions that don't do well for exosomes or exosomes could create an more inflammatory effect that could worsen conditions in general I would say no but there's a caveat with that so about one in 20 times people with pre-existing herpes viruses like you know cold sores that 80% of people get um they can get a flare especially if they're stressed out so oftentimes we'll give them a vrex as preventative measure uh I say the only really bad side effects we've seen is you know some people get uh activation of chickenpox or or shingles and that's happened I've heard twice in my experience so but if you're on top of that you can prevent that good example a patient came down from Utah to see me and she got shingles and but thank God she didn't get any neuralgia but she's so happy about the results otherwise and she was like oh my God I used to be a zombie I couldn't talk or speak or walk and she was super happy so much so that she referred like six of her friends and family so it's all basically Word of Mouth for my practice but once you believe you know you to get more and more treatments like myself I've done probably 30 treatments 40 my mom has done almost 50 or you know it's just once you know it can help you just go to it and it does the trick and that's a great question so I'm glad you brought that up so I did exosome once exosomes once and I don't feel like I really felt too too much from them especially when I compare it to like you know kind of like the high I got from my stem cells and when I've done those so you mentioned having to do it a couple times obviously you've done it many many times but is it something that someone has to do every like two to three month months or twice a year like what's kind of like the the magic number to kind of continue to have that benefit from it well number one the problem is that there are about a dozen exm companies just in this country alone but I'm super skeptical as to whether the quality is the same it's not like going to Chevron Texico mobile it's gas right so a lot of these companies I'm not sure they have the same process of isolation extraction and people fudge the numbers a lot so it's really unclear to me whether you know you even got the good stuff that's the first thing but as far as dop like if there was no uh concern about cost I think people should have it as a human right I mean I think they should get it all the time uh one fellow in San FR gets it uh 24 billion every month and he's feeling great at 78 so if people could afford it I mean there's nothing it can't help with like the therapeutic index is super wide now having said that if you pick up my book I explain that there are some people who are a little B more than exosomes yet of healing I do have a chapter on immune disregulation so as you well know when people have lime they have mold their immune system is disregulated so it doesn't generally help those underlying conditions but you know you can help some of the symptomatology I just got a text yesterday from a patient in Monrovia with line disease and her hips were undergoing vascular necrosis like her whole spinal canal is melting so the pain is like 80% better now she's no longer a in bed but is it helping the underlying ex or lime probably for that you need either antibiotics uh you know who knows uh ozone Ebu there are other things that people do someone I met just two days ago said they cured their line with Homeopathy with beasting so you know whenever you're disregulated my warning is like if someone says oh I just tested positive for Co I'm like let's cancel because your immune system will go kind of dark and it'll go into regeneration mode so that that can be a little scary so okay so those are instances where you need to be a little bit more cautious about the application or the timing of the application at least the timing and the PA selection like if I can share this one thing like the best people always ask me what's the best case you've ever seen so I'll show you this Hungarian guy who just came as a lark uh with his two buddies who got really good benefits and you could see here this guy took copious notes like he had these vericose veins on his legs and little spider veins and they started to fade by day 10 they were just gone yeah that's amazing and then and the ecem on his hands gone and his face the facial swelling he's wow gone like a different person different person yeah so he totally killed H like these spider veins everywhere and the only reason that's the best case is because he had what's called leaky gut and massel activation I know that through your journey you've had the the um Celiac so basically the tight junctions are no longer tight so this fella had uh food particles spilling into his bloodstream which triggered Global histamine reactions which caused eczema varicose veins and puffiness and all that disappeared after two weeks just the only possible reason is that his tight junctions just tightened up so that's crazy yeah so is that is that a good use of the exosomes also I mean the gut health is such a big prominent thing that everyone's kind of concerned about these days and there's so many different theories on gut health and how to heal it so is this something that you've seen literally that like a fluk yeah that was a total fluke I don't people when they ask me like what's the best I'm like that is clearly the best one shot for that kind of lifestyle change and symptoms is remarkable I do have a who battles a lot with uh um Crohn's disease so it tends to quiet her down for a couple of weeks but again there are underlying things the gut disbiosis uh in the um you know psycho emotional framework that helps to generate that you know obviously the autoimmune capacity the meds in the mix so yeah I mean I think it it can it can help but everything like you say is individualized the timing of it how often everything is um complex and that's what even though I was trained as telepathic you start to realize that the true functional you know integrated functional causes are complicated right so you hear great things about like veal stool transplant like who would have thought but I've heard a lot of great anecdotes and there's good literature now so yeah that's a very interesting topic as well it's a whole other podcast yeah um that's awesome so when you are preparing to get exosomes what are some things that people should do to prepare to kind of maximize their treatment so you mentioned not doing it when you have like any sort of illness going on or infection because that can kind of you know hamper the results but what are some other things that people can do is there any sort of kind of pre-treatment or like ozone or herbs or supplements or anything they can take to enhance their results or I that's a great question you know for my practice I don't use energy modalities but a lot of people do like for example they'll use pulse wave or esz wall to heat up and inflame um I don't think it's good to keep on doing that because I think that kind of sets the clock back to Day Zero I remember this one lady put like a bunch of really expensive exom in her shoulder and every week or every few days she was hitting with energy ultrasound heat so you kind of like start the clock at day Zero inflammation so my point of view there's no real prep but um you shouldn't have an active viral infection you shouldn't have an active undiagnosed cancer uh because directly that could be a problem uh but it's mainly in the after care that we get problems people uh their pain that they've had for months or years goes away and they think they're totally healed but it takes two to three months to make new collagen structures so the the things I've seen a few times is people don't really listen so I had to underline and bold it instructions just because you don't have pain doesn't mean you're healed so that's the weird thing the pain goes away so people start like bench pressing or doing all this crazy like CrossFit stuff and then they reinjure something or they you know that's the real problem because the natural pain unlike the Marines is not weakness leaving your body it's a warning that you're about to get injured so and so much of that pain is often from inflammation and things like that right so I'm sure like the exosomes kind of go that inflamation yeah exactly like I'll give example gout which my brother sister and Mom have I had my first episode of gout a few years ago after some tuck Chuck and my feet were sticking out of the and I was like what is this I woke up I'm like oh this must be gout you know and I injected it and the pain went away I mean luckily there's nothing you know riding literally on my big toe knuckle but you know if you can imagine if you take away the pain from like tendon that's like on the verge of rupture and you go out and you play like five sets of tennis you could be in trouble if you've taken the pain away so let's talk a little bit more you touched on it slightly there so after care so after you get your exomes you know you said not to do a lot of these interventions because kind of resetting the clock is there other things that you need to do while you're healing you said it could take like two to three months you know for injuries to heal and things like that what if you're using exomes for say like a chronic condition um are there certain things that you should do or shouldn't do afterwards to kind of support your body to use exomes it's such a great question and it's very individualized you know nobody really knows every time I've done it and I haven't done it that much I usually just do it for injuries the experience is totally different like you have changed your appetite bowel movements uh the one thing I would say is that nearly everybody like 2third feel sleepy for like up to 36 hours and your body's just like guess shutting down and going into recovery uh other than that you know sometimes you know I don't eat that great so one time I remember I took an IV and I had this craving for green salads like leafy vegetables so I guess in general the things that you would do sleep hydrate think good thoughts you know SE effect real eat healthy those are good things I wouldn't take a 36 hour flight to Dubai and binge drink alcohol but no but there's actually an interesting point like people who are on biologics for immune suppression and chronic steroids I do in my experience think that the effect is lessened because somewhat of an intact immune system is needed for the good effects too my experience yeah absolutely and then I want to touch on massel activation a little bit so you mentioned you know that's something that is so common these days like so many people whether they're dealing with lime or any other infection even people without lime are somehow dealing with mascle activation too um how do exomes help in that do they kind of rev up the immune system more that it can worsen the mascle activation or you finding that it's helping to kind of calm those things definitely calm yeah I mean if we can say anything the phenotype or the the way the immune system behaves generally Mellows out and that could have good and bad effects but it's generally good but yeah I mean there's so many triggers in our diet and our environment you know even in our emotional systems that it definitely uh shuts down that kind of activation you know I just treated a friend um mom who's 97 she got pretty bad dementia but at least her you know sinusitis her allergies are better whether we can fix her brain I'm not sure but um she was pretty bad off she couldn't even subract by two or remember any words and she couldn't draw a clock so you know you do what you can but like the time that you did exosomes they might have been not as potent or you might have just been in a good place you know if someone is in a good place in terms of their health and their homeostasis you're not going to see an effect right so yeah okay yeah that makes sense it's amazing that you did the autologus it was in Europe right yeah in Germany so it was St cells from my from my own fat and actually that's a good question that leads into my next question so you know so many times everyone's like you have to use your own stem cells and you even mentioned you know if you get them from like someone that's 50% related to you like your body still kind of clears them out so exosomes obviously aren't from your own body those are you know from something else so why is it that exomes are able to kind of stay in the body and continue working even though they're not part of your they're not Aus right so that I just attended a conference with a thousand phcs from 100 countries these are the experts and there's not a lot that they know like their biggest humble brags to say oh I published papers that were totally wrong for years but the one thing that we do know for sure is that on 100 nanometer sphere there's no room and there's no uh there's no antigens for self so you know the MHC antigens that tell you if something is you or foreign those don't exist on exosomes your body can't figure out it didn't make them so all of a sudden you're healing like a newborn baby which is where they come from a newborn baby so there's no mechanism we know for them to be rejected MH do you think at a certain point exomes are going to get to the point that they can replace having to use stem cells or do you think there're still a time and a place to use stem cells versus exomes I mean that's a great question the problem that taking care of stem cells growing them multiplying them nurturing them is it's not easy to do uh it's really more of like an art um it's a craft uh so not everyone does a great job and from batch to batch there's variance but I do think that because you know Arnold Kaplan was the pioneer he's the one who named the the mimal stem cell towards the end his career he published a paper saying you don't even need the stem cells you just need the exosomes because that's how they work anyway even in my first book about tiir I mistakenly said well the stem cells go and they engraft and they become muscles but you know even though that's true in the dish that's not necessarily true it might be Trish in the body we don't really know but yeah in the future they'll have exosomes from neurologic cells that are better growing myin sheath let's say uh ones from bone that are better at growing bone so you know there's no reason why you need to hire the Rolling Stones you can just play their music right so we just have the music we don't need the whole band there once you introduce again not self stem cells then you know they have a limited lifespan so that's the problem but the autologus the problem is when you do a fat lipo like you did it's not that easy to find the three types of stem cells like there's meenal endothelial and um hematopoetic they're very rare most of what you get is like fat and Schmutz and connective tissue so you have to really have some like really experienced phds to isolate them if they're going to multiply them clonally expand them to millions and millions and millions that's not easy to do I mean there's people who do that in different countries but it's not really ready for prime time in this country yeah I feel like they're cracking down on stem cells here too and you know really kind of like all over the world so it's kind of you either have the choices of doing like cord blood which is obviously donor ones that you're everyone I know that has tried those they feel good for a little bit and then all of a sudden they're kind of right back to where they were because your immune system just clearing those out and then you know embryonic there's obviously the ethical issues with it as well as they're not they're not self-limiting so they're not safe right so what is with exosomes you you mentioned that if you have cancer obviously you don't want to probably do this but I know with embryonic stem cells that's a huge risk right because the tumors will just multiply indefinitely because it's not self limiting but what about exomes are they self-limiting like what is the risk if you do have a tumor that you don't know about like are you at risk for having issues with that yeah I mean it's right there on my consent I mean on my consent says this is not FDA approved it's not standard of care it's not guaranteed and then further down it says you know if you have an undiagnosed cancer don't do it now having said that there's no real great reason to believe other than the fact that exomes promote new blood vessel uh generation which is one of the mechanisms of metastasis just as far as caution goes that and wet macro degeneration which is vascular proliferative we generally say no having said that there's anecdotes as people who say that their cancer got better you know it's like the opposite of chemo right chemo is like bad for all cells especially stem cells your hair falls out you get diarrhea your gut sloughs so this is the opposite like exosomes are good for all stem cells so it's just more of a caution thing that we prefer to get that taken care of have that be in the past before start you know boosting all your cells yeah are there certain tests that people should do before they do exosomes or any lab work that they need to do to kind of verify that they're in a healthy state to to receive the exomes not really I mean you can get them I mean you're making them constantly all the time you know even if you get a paper cut boom inflammation stem cells exosome so this is naturally happening but if you can get them in a spot where you're body stop trying to heal like a tennis elbow or an Achilles then you know they can kind of wake up dedifferentiate multiply decrease inflammation so it's kind of like you know spackle almost but it it really reprograms the local cells to kind of try and repair again and that's where we see the benefits do you think there's ever going to be a time where you're able to harvest your own exosomes instead of having Don ones can but it's just not cost effective it's not scalable you know to hire uh you know an N of one experiment for you I mean there's places you can fly to you know you can read about in the book um or you could drop 80 grand and they'll give you gmcsf and your bone marrow will squirt out stem cells and they claim they can isolate them multiply them to millions and millions freeze them and you just I mean it's a good biohack if you really were not dying then the best way is to get a bunch of your best version stem cells you know create hundreds of millions of them and inly reintroduce them as needed so we talk a lot about aging and how to hack so I know there are a lot of people who are in that space But I like to just dumb it down keep it real common sense I mean there's chapters in the book that I don't even understand and I wrote that it gets really complicated but yeah we try and stick to the science you know we it's nice to have ideas and experiences anecdotes but there should be you know animal studies proving this like so the questions you're asking are all really good it's not that you know I want to withhold information but you know I'm just sort of uh working with this empirically too and so nobody's really an expert like some people will mix PRP with exomes stem cells with exomes I personally don't because I think it's too immune supressive the couple times I've done that but yeah I would say that the other old stuff the PRP is a little cheaper but it's a little cumbersome it's great but now in this new world we don't need the information like you know PRP it it sometimes doesn't work if you're older because the playlets have their own excesses and but the they're not as effective but then they also tell you you can't take ibuprofen or aspirin or Tylenol with yeah because they're looking for inflammation this is oppos like beine the vampire facial that um you know Kim Kardashian did they're very red for like five days this is the opposite like barely even look sunburn the next day because it's so anti-inflammatory I think that's really where we Leverage The Benefit because your body goes from inflammation right to Regeneration gotcha so let's talk about how you get exosome so you mentioned like for Orthopedic conditions do you inject it directly into the site of something that needs the healing and then what about say for like autoimmune disease or you know chronic condition is it an IV that's how I got them I did an IV of them but um is that generally still kind of the methods that you use to apply them correct yeah I mean if someone has really bad rheumatoid Knuckles you know then we might do into the knuckles as well but IV is generally the way the way to go yeah okay and then I want to switch gears a little bit so you mentioned uh telr and that you've been you know working in that scope for a while and preventing gray hair which is something I would love to to learn about so I'd love for you to share let's start kind of just with the basics like what are telr and kind of just explain kind of the breakdown of what happens as we age and how they shorten and why that happens yeah yeah yeah I've written three books one is tiir time bombs one is um the tiir miracle and this third one is exosomes but I think that this last book exosome songs of healing talks about aging it's really simple if you if you think about it and this is very established science 2008 Nobel Prize the ends of your chromosomes have tiir they're like fuses on firecrackers every time a cell divides they shorten a fixed amount or you know so there's enzymes in stem cells only that can relengthening them effectively Immortal so it just basically keeps the stem cells from aging out as quickly and so the benefits I feel like I haven't had to dye my hair and you know wear reading glasses like 17 years ago I was having gray hair and reading glasses so I just feel like it's flattened that curve for me but now with the exos we actually get stem cell regeneration dedifferentiation so that's really exciting but the third part of the puzzle is like self suicide and syence and destruction that's the part we don't really have mastered yet but you know if people are interested in aging generally then the exosomes book is good because it explains in terms of the analogy and how to best conquer that because like in the future if people really wanted to conquer aging they would freeze their placentas and then like every decade they get a reinfusion of their healthy young stem cells everyone have their own bespoke stem cell bank and then that whole you know curve of us aging and dying would just get flattened out really far and what are your thoughts on banking stem cells so you know I know that's a a more common practice these days obviously still expensive and inaccessible to a lot of people but um you know like one theory is like when you Bank the stem cells stem cells want to differentiate into some sort of cell in your body so unless you use them right away they might start kind of changing into cells that they want to become but what are your thoughts on freezing them and using them years later versus using them right away great question you know when I was delivering babies a lot of times you know we'd freeze the cord blood we'd send it off I mean that's great that's like you know there's a bunch of stem cells in Core Blood even better is and low Tech is to freeze the placenta because when you thought in the future you know you might lose 20% of viability but you know you still have a lot of you don't have to unfreeze the whole thing at once so you have a lifetime supply of your uh OEM sort of Hardware so you know women these days they get a job at Google at 35 and part of the package is you freeze your eggs same thing you're freezing a type of stem cell uh hopes that in the future you can use it indeed that's a viable technology but yeah if people were like not interested in fighting Wars they could like allocate their money to freezing their placent having replacement parts like it would be a game changer now people always wander into questions of economics and social justice but like the actual way to store your stem cells to extract them and once you extract them you know they they're in stasis like they're not doing anything when they're frozen in nitrogen but once the scientist get get them out that remember I said in my first book they differentiate to cartilage bone muscle that's one of the very easy trivial things that stem cell scientists do they're so proud of it they give a couple of proteins or signals and that msse will become a muscle or a bone or cartilage so they think that's pretty cool I think that's pretty cool but the future like there's no reason why that blueprint in those stem cells that you've saved couldn't be made into like liver lung kidney heart you know so it's a pretty easy bioh hack but of course you have to follow money like who's making money off of that yeah and then what about freezing uh and banking stem cells as an adult like say you know you're in your 30s or 40s and you're like hey I want to have some stem cells for when I'm older are they still viable and if you are going to bank them what's the best source of it bone marrow blood or fat that's a great question not my area of expertise 25y old you know I said to him well look if you hit the lottery if you come into a lot of money it might be a good thing to do because 25y old is better than 35 45 75 and even now at 57 like my stem cells are better than they're going to be at 67 there always some benefit but the best benefit is newborn placenta you know and it cost you few hundred bucks to freeze that and then you're set for life because you know the thing is that they the original use case for the cord blood was well if the sibling gets lukemia this such rare like but everybody who's ever lived gets older and degenerates and gets sick so now we have the stem cell technology has gotten the point where they can actually make a useful product for you because even though you're not 100% matched to yourself it's pretty darn close and like you said the embryonic stem cells are not safe because they have too much potentiality they can form what's called teratomas but for our intents and purposes a newborn baby placenta is an adult it no longer has that uh plur potency that the embryonic cells have so they're really safe they're adult but they're super potent yeah awesome and then so going back to telr so let's talk a little bit about what we can do to help us with anti-aging and extending those so is it certain sort of supplements that you need to take or is it lifestyle changes that you need to make to help support that or what do we need to do to live longer and healthier lives yeah I mean there's a supplement that I've been taking for 17 years and you can Google it you know one of my patients his immune system totally recovered from like an 80-year-old to a 20-year-old he had some weird infant um when he was an infant he had like that boy in the bubble thing so that really helped him but he's like he was into Bitcoin in 2011 so he's sitting on God knows how much for life but you know even he has experimented with the generic forms of this molecule and he admits that they're probably not as potent so the product that I used to make I used to um check the potency and you know but you know sometimes manufacturers they take they cut corners but the one that I'm taking is pretty pot is pretty active they can learn more about on my website um but if you want to do anything for free you know spoiler alert like read my book for Hay House I wrote called the ti miracle and it turns out that just like you think anything that's good for you generally is good for your tase activity so good sleep good thoughts uh exercise you know maybe a mediteranian diet um all these things there like six different a aspects that are scientific proven to increase race so it's nothing too shocking but there is data to suggest it's real so and then are there any negatives that you found to I mean obviously like we're kind of reversing something that our bodies are naturally doing like are there any risks in lengthening your tares great question I used to test my tares with four different Labs every year and every year they were like really much different like the numbers were like totally but year-over year the labs were the same right so they were using different methodologies but the thing I was checking for was are these ters getting uncontrollably long like dreadlocks and the answer yeah so I stopped testing them but um yeah I mean I don't think there's any downside I think I've had two patients get cancer and they both survive and that's out of thousands so that's kind of less than the threshold yeah uh and um you know I think generally it's very anti-cancer and you know I've had lectures you can see them on YouTube about that it's a controversy but um in general the syndromes where there's tase inactivation they get premature aging and they get premature of course heart disease cancer and all that so in a lot of ways the shortening of the tiir causes the stem cell damage and depletion and that's really what aging and most of our diseases are caused by by that yeah absolutely and then if people do want to test their kind of biological age or the length of their telr what's a what's a good resource to do that with um you know it's the Bitcoin billionaire guy was telling me he's aging at 76 years a year so below you know I I turned him on to this one test out of uh Spain called LIF length and we both agree that they messed up by changing their measurement in the early days the doctors couldn't understand what critical short TIR are so they dropped that that was the most useful information that's really what changed him from boy in the bubble and chronically sick to like a young healthy man again and that was when he was in his 30s so none of them are great like like I said I would measure my teal Mir one would be 7,000 9,000 11 and 13,000 so they're using different methodologies that's the problem but um I think the critically short one is the important number because those are the firecracker fuses that are just about to go off so you don't want a lot very ation that you don't want short tail mirrors you just want a good average length what's come up in the last seven years is something called epigenetic testing so there's different models there first like 300 now there's 500 now there's a thousand uh Gene low size they look at whether the gene is methylated or not methylated and there's like a tight 95% correlation with your age and your methylation now what that means is really up to debate and I blogged about that that's a good way that people are using to measure but you know the best measure of your age is right there on your driver's license you know birth date because you know we're all getting older there are things that you can do but you know it's not that easy to mitigate but as long as you're feeling good like if you're like my mom's 87 and she's feeling good functional in every way really they say age is just a number but yeah really I mean it's all about the stem cell depletion game you know that's main thing you got to worry about and so much I mean you mentioned it before you know having positive thoughts I think mindset is such a positive thing that impacts you my grandma is hundred years old and but she's like one of the most positive people I know like she's always just like you know seems so carefree and has a positive attitude and then you see other people that are so sick and they're like the world's out to get them and you know everything is like against them and they watch the news and things like that and it's like no wonder you're aging and feeling sick and anxious you know but that's the journey like you know for all of us like in every moment it's like are we going to be the hero or the victim of our story you know I had one lady she was 114 years old and she started taking the ta65 and she was getting black hairs everywhere no way yeah crazy uh I've seen that 92y old woman just after exosomes but so people love it when their hair turns black they feel like viscerally it's something they see they see the proof yeah at the end of the day you know it's like I just got film right before you call with this L she has Ms since the age of three and she's like yeah I'm really feeling like a victim and I was so mean to everyone and now that the home health caregivers won't come see me we just talk about that because once you're in that whole scarcity mentality I told her about people that were a million times worse it doesn't make you feel better to know that someone's worse but certainly you're right when when you're thinking about abundance and gratitude then all the little cells in you start to be a little more aligned too you got people make themselves sick all the time for absolutely psychological generational maybe even you know MH or keep themselves sick when they don't feel like they can heal or like deserve to heal you know it just becomes such a part of their identity right AB gain like people take care of you in a different way they see concern it's hard to escape that let's be honest I see it a lot with live too like people that are recovering from lime or have had it their whole life like they almost like make it part of their identity and you know like and I'm like like don't give it that much ownership like you aren't this disease like this disease is just something that you happen to experience but it's not a part of you and like the more you can kind of think of it that way and be like this is part of me it needs to go I feel like people heal a lot better so absolutely awesome well this has been amazing I want to switch gears just for a second as we wrap up and talk about your book um I haven't had a chance to fully dive into it yet but I'm very excited to read this so what can people expect to find in the book and what sort of uh information is in here yeah yeah so um that's uh basically talks about what's next to some versus stem cell how do they work what's the animal studies like in heart attack stroke you know arthritis uh where are we at with the FDA how to find a doctor you know just things like that and there are chapters I literally like wrote the chapter on Immunology I don't even understand even time but it's super complicated so it's never me overwhelm people but we try and keep it light a lot of anecdotes analogies if you just know there's no quiz at the end I think you'll get a really good understanding about what aging is how your body systems work and yeah no it's just a fun little journey uh talks a little bit about how I got into this but yeah it's just a good resource and at the end there's like you know dozens of blogs videos webinars that I've done it's all there accessible for free as well awesome amazing and if people want to find you and get exomes what's the best way to reach out to you here uh are you just doing it here in California and the Los Angeles area or do you work with patients country actually am going I have licensed in five states so I live in LA currently but I used to live in Hawaii so I go there uh I go to San Fran every month I'm going to Dallas Miami New York so that's Texas Florida New York okay and I'll probably be adding Utah soon um yeah no people can book a free 20 minute consult on my website that's a awesome www recharge biomed.com and they can watch all my videos going back 17 years now on YouTube at DRP K65 amazing and we'll link to everything in the show notes as well so people can find you awesome Dr Park thank you so much for this amazing information I'm really hoping that people enjoy our conversation about such an interesting and up and cominging topic absolutely 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Exosomes are the Songs of Healing — Dr. Edward Park & Dr. Achina Stein
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[music] Welcome to the What If It's Not Depression podcast. This is Dr. Aina Stein. We are having another episode on this podcast. It's been a few weeks now and I'm currently going to be interviewing Dr. Ed Park. Um he we are going to talk about exoomes and you're going to learn about what they are. Uh Dr. Park is an expert in the field and uh if you like this episode, please hit subscribe and uh and click the like button. Thank you. So Dr. Park is a Harvard trained physician and pioneer in the clinical use of stem cell exoomes for regenerative medicine. Motivated by a personal quest to uncover the secrets of aging and illness, Dr. Park has dedicated his career to harnessing the power of telomeres, stem cells, and exoomes to help others achieve optimal health and longevity. He shares his expertise through lectures, presentations, and a comprehensive training course for medical professionals. Welcome, Dr. Park. >> Thanks, Aina. Thanks for having me. >> Oh, it's great having you here. I know have been on your podcast and now it's your turn. >> It's really nice supporting each other's work and and getting uh people to know more about what they can do for their health. >> Yeah. So, let's jump right in. You know, I'd love to hear about your personal story about why you even got into exosomes. I know you're very curious about them and you did a lot of research and a deep dive and certainly wrote a book about it, but yeah, if you can start from there, that would be awesome. and then to talk about what what are exoomes and how they're different from telomeres or what they are uh what telomeirs are and how they're different from stem cells. >> Sure. Um you know I was living my life like most people just taking care of work and kids and whatnot and my dad came down with brain cancer. Oh gosh it must have been 20 some 21 years ago. So, it kind of hit me like, hey, why do people get sick and why do they get old? So, I I discovered tieamirs. I got really excited about that and I had like a midlife crisis before 40 and I was like, I'm going to be a screenwriter. So, I I wrote a screenplay science fiction about the future where people have a tome's activator and it was kind of like this conscious transfer before that was a thing. Anyway, so that was called Maximum Lifespan. It was a graphic novel. And then the next year in 2007, a company came out with a real talomeorous activator. So I thought, hm, what is the universe telling me I should try it? So I tried it and in three months I had lost 15 pounds, no diet, no exercise. So I think it caused some kind of extinction event. >> It was then I got really interested in anti-aging. So for the last 18 years I've been taking this tilome activator and [clears throat] I wrote a book called the tie uh tie time bombs diffusing the terror of aging and then several years later the Hay House publishing company asked me to write the tie miracle which people should pick up. I don't know if it's in print anymore but it just talks about things that you talk about kind of like uh diet, exercise, mindset, breathing. I know in the green room as you're waiting it says breathe breathe. [laughter] So it's just ways that people can hack their own talomeorase activity. It's kind of based on the science, but as it turns out, no surprise, people that do healthy habits live longer because perhaps their tieumir are longer, >> right? That's [clears throat] >> so yeah. So, you know, I was um lecturing on tieumirs, talomeores, taking that for now 18 years, and I think it's helped me, you know, keep the gray hair off, no reading glasses. And then about uh eight nine years ago, I was hired or not hired. The guy never paid me. He still owes me for coffee, but this eccentric uh millionaire wanted to cure aging. So, uh I found a guy that was interested in exosomes and we would meet every month and talk about it. And then, uh eight years ago, I I heard a lecture about exoomes and the the story was so interesting. It was so polarizing. He said he'd been in a motorcycle accident, broken seven ribs, collarbone, and ankle, lost a third of his blood, and that he just took exosomes. He was up there five, six weeks later laughing and lecturing, and I was like, "Wow, that could be really interesting." So, I tried it on my meniscus and my rotator cuff and my Achilles, and indeed, they all got better. >> So, for the last eight years, I've treated oh god, I don't know, nearly 700 people in 3,200 treatments. So, it started with just friends and family and close patients, but now I'm trying to spread the word and teach providers how to do that, too. >> Awesome. Awesome. So, yeah, you mentioned those words and people are probably still wondering what is a telomeir. What is an exoome? >> That's fair. Okay. So, [clears throat] again, I I had it like candles have wicks, right? Or firecrackers have wicks. So at the end of every chromosome is sort of like a a blank tape leader or a wick a fuse and every time a cell divides because of the mechanics of where it starts copying they shorten by 50 to 100 base pairs. So what that means is if you have a non- stem cell and it divides too many times it'll die off. Okay? So that's like a fundamental core engine of aging. Now there's two things that make a stem cell stem cell. One is tomeorase activation. In other words, the ability to relengtheen the fuses making them immortal. Uh although there are certain changes in the epigenetics that still cause them to behave less robustly. And then asymmetric division that means the mom makes a perfect copy of herself and then a specialized daughter. That's the two things of stemness. But as I've gone to this stem cell conferences and exoome conferences, I realized that nobody's really an expert. So the fundamental kind of mind-blowing thing is that cells are in a continuum. And I think that was really blown out uh or made true by the Yamanaka factors, right? If you give certain mRNA or proteins or even chemicals, you can cause a cell to become very primitive in its behavior. >> So what we have to understand is that probably the maintenance and healing of our body is on a continuum of differentiation and then sudden brief differentiation. So stuff that is old and damaged can suddenly act sort of early stage embryionic and regenerate. >> H is that word salad? So tie are the are the time clocks on the on the chromosomes and stem cells can relen. So a daughter can only be as good as her mother >> and um and so the daughter inherits usually most of the epigenetic which is the software. So if you're sitting there in the liver and you're a liver cell, you're not going to suddenly become a kidney cell. Yeah. >> So that's the software. But the bottom line is life is a journey from one stem cell, you have fertilized egg to zero when you die. And as we get through life, if you get to the 110s, studies showed on a Dutch lady that she only had two immune variants where she should have thousands. So throughout our lives we are being depleted of stem cells mainly by this engine of copying copying copying and incomplete restoration restoration restoration of the fuses. >> Ah wow. And so how are stem cells >> So a stem cell is a musician right? So it can play whatever it wants as a request. So it packages in these tiny exosomes which are like the songs. That's why my book is called exosomes songs of healing. >> You know it may be a dozen or so different. Yes. Proteins >> but not usually proteins or lipids. It's usually m mRNA. >> Actually not I I misspoke. It's usually RNA but mRNA can be very long. you know, some peptides are eight base pairs or whatever, eight amino acids, but some are, you know, hundreds, right? Big proteins. So, it turns out that when you talk to the founder and chief scientific officer and they do their omix or their study of what's in them, there's a lot of microRNA, right? So, microRNA people might not know is is the anti-sense thing. It's like um 22 23 base pairs. And when you have an mRNA, which is the the message to translate a specific protein for a specific action, if you gum [clears throat] it up with a exactly matching 22 base pair code, you know, this microRNA, you can't express that for a time, right? >> So there's a couple microRNAs uh M133b and 34A, I think. And this is why we can regenerate nerves. we can regenerate axons and dendrites and myelin because these things have those in them but they also have other growth factors stem cell factors um you know BEGF IGF IGF binding protein I mean there's a a [clears throat] lot of studies on what's in them but basically it's like if you asked you know a musician what are they playing they couldn't really explain it to you because it's a different language Right. >> Right. >> And then >> you know it's why are you playing that? Well, it's melody, it's harmony, it's like >> ver it's sustain and then you know Indian music has half notes you know so it's all very esoteric to us. >> It is. Yeah. Um so you know the mRNA is like a blueprint. >> That's right. Yeah. >> The I mean that's just to simplify for people who don't understand um you know what DNA is and what mRNA is. DNA is your is your actual gold template that never changes and the mRNA is like a printing press >> of of the of the actual template. Like if you were making money, >> right? You have a template of the of the dollar bill and the $5 bill and the $10 bill. Those are different kinds of DNA sequences uh printed out in a photo, so to speak. [laughter] Uh, and then the mRNA are the are the actual bills that are printed off of each of those things, right? And the >> exactly >> come off of the mRNA. >> Uh, no, the exosomes is a very, it's like they've known this from electron microscopy. So, for example, you know, I treated myself yesterday for old frostbite and when you melt it, it's totally invisible, right? So, if you get cloudy, that means you're above 200 nmters. But because light cannot be detected below 200 nanometers, you you melt them and they're literally invisible. So we've known from electron microscopy that they were being extruded from the cells, but people thought they were poop just very arbitrarily. >> Quite the contrary, turns out that's the main mechanism of cell communication >> in plants and animals. They release these exosomes. So that's really only about an 18-year-old feel that people realize, oh, we've been seeing the poop for 90 years, but it's not poop, it's actually their songs, their communication. So big big error, big blind spot. >> So when you look in a cell like a scanning electron microscopy, there's the nucleus, like you said, that holds the golden blueprint. >> And so the central dogma of cell biology is that all of life is from this gene expression, right? So genes are the DNA code and they make the messengers the messenger single strand RNA which feeds into the ribosomes which translate into a protein sequence and then it gets packaged in the Golgi apparatus. So that was kind of the mysterious like thing that [clears throat] they saw. So when you make a co virus to give yourself more co you make a 100 nanometer bubble with some COVID in there and some spike proteins. But when your cells are just talking to each other or you know a cactus is making exoomes to talk to the other cactus cells then it also comes off the Golgi apparatus. So the Golgi apparatus is factory to make these little 50 to 100 nanometer invisible spheres these bubbles and they get you know squeezed out into the world and that's how the cells communicate. >> Yeah. From one cell to the next to the next to the next. The billions of cells that you have in your body. >> Right. because the phospholipid bubble will travel through your body and then it'll go somewhere else and touch another cell and it'll get kind of um swallowed up and then it's just as though that other cell uh made it itself because the messenger RNA in this case the microRNA is being sent from like let's say a mezzenymal stem cell or a doctor repair cell to the injured knee cartilage for example. So when you take exoomes from what I'm giving you, it's kind of like your body thinks it's healing like a newborn baby >> because unlike cells which are 500 times bigger in diameter, >> these are so small that the the the Golgi apparatus and the cell doesn't put self antigens on there. So as you know when you get a kidney, you need to be on suppressants because it's someone else's major compatibility, right? So that it'll be rejected. Same thing with offthe-shelf stem cells. They'll be rejected within a few days. But because exosomes never have any of that self antigen, Aina thinks she's a newborn baby again. She's feeling like that. [laughter] >> Yeah. Well, I'm looking [clears throat] forward to trying them someday. >> Sooner the better. >> Yeah. >> Oh, I will. I will. We'll have to find a time for uh me to fly out to go see you. So, um anyway, yeah. So, so how does how do they even get these exoomes? How are they made? How are they extracted? And >> can you talk? >> I mean, it's kind of a trade secret, but basically, uh, the best way to think of it is a baby in the bath water, right? So, if you have stem cells in a dish or, you know, a flask and [clears throat] you stress them in a certain way with low oxygen, they'll think they're in a like a healing like fractured ankle and they'll start spewing out all these healing messages for the cartilage that's not even there, right? Or the ligaments. >> So, you just every couple days you strain the bath water out and add new nutrients and it's in the bath water. So, in the past they used to throw uh the bath water out. Now it's so precious they can micro filter it really nano filter it if we're being honest 50 to about 180 nanometers >> and in that size exclusion are these tiny invisible particles. Hm. Wow. Wow. You know, that kind of even explains why homeopathy works, right? [laughter] In some in some sense, it's kind of the same uh um not philosophy, but um you know, wave. >> Yeah. I don't know. I went to at least a songopathy lecture. It kind of blew my mind. I didn't really >> Honestly, it doesn't make sense. But there's a lot of things that don't make sense. [laughter] >> Yeah, it's similar. It's a similar concept though that's so small that it's really communication um from like to like and um you know and it's and it's not rejected it's as opposed to al >> yeah I don't know energy vibe thing I mean her lecture really blew my mind to be honest but like yesterday I was hanging out I was giving a tour to my Australian friends and one of them is a shaman and you know her husband also believes in some weird stuff and I was like okay I don't know but you know it's like anything else once you experience it like that 15 pound weight loss then you can't not believe it like >> right >> there's nothing I did in terms of diet exercise right >> right so >> I just kept on taking that I was just at 84M last weekend and >> you know over the years we've seen fads come and go and everyone's monetizing similar things >> but the TA65 still has a booth out in the front and uh >> it's been working for a lot of people >> it's interesting molecule it's like vitamin D or steroid molecule but it there's a little side chain modifications. It comes from a Chinese herb. So I think it really has a lot of interesting effects for people's sleep, their mood, exercise recovery and um yeah that is like I don't know if you know anything about uh Hinduism but that's like >> that's what my culture is. [laughter] >> Oh okay. >> Yeah. >> So anyway the uh Vishnu is the god of maintenance. So to is how we maintain stem cell health, right? Mhm. >> So uh Brahma is like stemness. So the exoomes can turn back the differentiation like Yamanaka factors and get those stem cells to be primitive regenerate your knee or your nerves. And the third thing is Shiva and then unfortunately we don't really have a safe controllabletic and it's not something we would want. I mean people they use curcumin. There's other things like FOX4 DRRI which is a competitive agonist to FOX4 which uh inhibits P-53 apoptosis. >> Anyway, this is all Charlie Brown speak to people. But if you want to learn more, you could check out the books. I explain the central dogma cell biology. I explain my stem cell theory of aging and I explain why the tree morti really kind of explains what we're up against this maintenance creation and destruction right >> and so from birth to death it's it's kind of like we're trying to maintain but we slowly lose because of the tieumirs >> stem cells go away through shiva and then we have uh we die because our immune system isn't working or we get cancer or all the above so >> right Right. Right. Yeah. So, what are some conditions? So, you mentioned you know uh fractured ankle or ribs or you know some kind of physical injury and maybe nerve uh nerve damage. What are some other conditions that you could use stem cells to or sorry exisomes to treat? >> Well, let me disambiguate one thing. So, I went to this uh stem cell conference in Hong Kong this year and only about 5% of the posters even mentioned exosomes. So, if you ask a stem cell scientist, they'll say, "Well, how do stem cells work?" And they'll say, "Well, through exosomes, >> but they're in a different silo, right? They're studying the macro, the large scale microns." So, they're in a different silo. If you go to the exosome conference, which I've been to a couple times, all they care about is exosomes, which is normal. That's just how people are. But everyone agrees this is how stem cells communicate. In the past, when I wrote the first book, I was under the impression that maybe stem cells go to the location and graft and differentiate into bone, muscle, whatever, cartilage. But that's not the case. No one thinks that anymore. Mhm. >> So, how do they make the local stem cells in that local niche work? And we the honest answer is nobody knows. But the best clue is probably that there's a lot of microRNA. >> So again, um you have tonic inhibitors of differentiation, right? Basically, there are these uh proteins from messenger RNA that say don't act like a child, don't act like a child, don't act like a child. And then for a brief time, the microRNA can block that message and then that local cell will act like a child and it'll start regrowing and regenerating, sprouting, right? Because it's not just a cancer mechanism of defense, but it's also like it's a waste of energy to be growing, growing, growing, growing. We're not like jellyfish in the ocean where we can just get massive. We got to be, you know, stay in our little lane and and be small and maintain. So I don't know if I answered your question but that's >> it's basically a panacea it in my experience after 3300 treatments it can do almost anything because it it doesn't rely upon you being smart or fizer making a good chemical it's how your body is designed >> so if you take the same stuff from a healing stem cell from a newborn placenta and you put in you only good stuff happens. Now does that mean that you can't have complications? No. if someone has COVID, uh, like the owner of this company, I asked him, hey, bro, are you what are you gonna do? You just got COVID. He goes, I'm not gonna take exoomes. I go, I know. He goes, yeah, he needs to make antibodies. Right? So, the one thing that I've seen maybe one in 30 people is cold sore activation. People go, why isn't why is that good is good, bad is bad? I'm like, no, no, it's not that simple. As I explained in the book, you know, it's like your immune system is making antibodies to prevent your cold sore reactivation, right? But when you take the exosomes, all those little soldiers go to uh build houses like they go from like ice to habitat for humanity. So you can get a cold sore activation and if you're coming down with a cold, you it can get worse. >> So other than that, it's very very safe. It doesn't seem to activate cancer or anything like that. Mhm. >> But yeah, there's no um free rides in biology. >> Right. I was going to ask what if there were any contraindications or was was there a group is there a particular group of people who shouldn't take it at all? You know, so >> if somebody has active cancer then I I don't because um you know rising tide lifts all boats. >> So you know you don't want those uh unresolved cancer cells to go crazy. >> Yeah. Well, you know, sometimes people have cancer and they don't even know it, right? Yeah. >> Well, you know, at the A4M, the booth next to us was this early cancer diagnosis company. If you go on to my YouTube channel, Dr. Park DRPK65, I interviewed the Ankolot people. And this was like 12 years ago. They had an early cancer detection. So, the premise is good. But the problem is that company went out of business because people would get uh their mastctomy or their hysterctomy and then the pathologist couldn't find any cancer. So there it's a problem of excess sensitivity and the inference that just because you have a detectable cancer protein that it's 100% correlated with clinical outcome is faulty. >> I mean I write about in the book and I truly believe that we get cancer millions of times in our lives and that the primary mechanism of destruction is cell suicide. When the cell knows that the chromosome number is wrong, the p-53 suicides the cell. >> Then on top of that the immune system. What we've seen is a lot of you know cancers after this COVID immune derangement. So that's the other main mechanism in in Hong Kong. I saw this great lecture. This woman was making natural killer self. Why are they called natural killer? Because they kill cancer natural. >> So there's many levels of detecting and eradicating cancer before it becomes the thing. >> And once you get diagnosed with the thing, the C word, then your brain goes nuts. You become the cancer victim. You nuke your immune system with chemo and then you fry the local vasculature with radiation. I mean, the best is if you have a little ditzel and they cut off your face, you're cured. But yeah, I think that we get cancer all the time. It just whether it is ever going to be a problem. It's kind of like, you know, pre- crime minority report. I I agree with you and I I often use the example of you know when a company is marketing a product you know there's always going to be quality control in place and you know so when you have a recall that you know of of of a product that's defective then it's eliminated and taken off the market right [snorts] so it's the same way in the body that you know things are sort of labeled uh in the body as this is defective we got to remove this from it and so that's when the natural killer cells come along and or cells to remove those defective products that are being made by the body. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> I mean I mean I agree generally but specifically I had the experience with that a year ago >> where uh >> in my apartment building like I I warned my kids when they come and visit I'd say don't don't touch the stove. Don't bump into it. It'll turn on if there's anything near it. It'll ignite. So, a year ago, >> I had this horrible apartment fire as I was, you know, outside checking my emails. Uh, fire trucks pulled up and in my neighborhood there's a lot of people who just let fire alarms go and what. So, I didn't really I turned around and the entire apartment was filled with smoke, black smoke. So, I went in and it was raining like monsoon and there was a big fire over the stove. So long story short, you know, a fireman came, the water leaked down five stories and I I end up owing 161,000. So you want to talk about depression, anxiety, you know, depression is like uh ruminating on the past and anxiety is the future. So I was kind of traumatized and then I tried to remediate the soot by sleeping and cleaning it. Even though there were hepailters, I got some serious brain damage. So, uh, the my point is the segue is those stoves were recalled like two months later and the landlord still didn't tell. And this is the third time in this apartment that we've had a massive fire >> because if you even bump there was a dog and a mover. If you even bump the knobs, they're defective. >> Wow. >> So, that manufacturer finally did a consumer reports thing saying, "Hey, dummies, this is how you turn off the knobs when you're not using it." But my landlord is totally negligent. and then and then they put me on the hook for 61,000. So, [laughter] >> right. >> Anyway, I I'm ruminating over it. So, I'm a little bit anxious about having to pay that and I'm a little depressed that that happened. >> But, um, >> you asked a question generally about mood disorders. I don't think they're disorders. Like, when we're taught in school, there's affect and mood >> and then there's personality and there's major depression and there's, you know, whatever. I mean, I think as we discussed in your interview for my podcast, you know, it's it's normal to feel things, >> right? >> It's can be dysfunctional to ruminate over them, >> right? And so, as I talked to, you know, my shaman over the last, you know, weeks, she's been hanging out >> and she gave me these amazing stories about people she's treated, I realized that, you know, we were talking about the Rob Reiner thing and her response is is always a little orthogonal. She's always like, she says, "Well, we don't know what their soul contract was," right? So, there's this very, I guess if you're a shaman, you have a different view, >> right, >> on incarnation and and that it's not just a a blob of cells in you. I mean, she says that the soul really enters the baby upon its first birth. And this is not as a right-winger or a left-winger. And she will help people allegedly get pregnant really late into advanced maternal age by finding these spirits to incarnate. And these stories are just amazing like you know and so you know she believes it 100%. I believe it something a little less but [clears throat] >> but um I do think that it's kind of a superpower to be traumatized and that's really the alchemy of life, right? to be felt feeling so deeply unlike an AI LLM. I mean, it can dispassionately talk about genocide or whatever torture and it doesn't matter. But for us, it's really those early childhood adverse experiences that forms our flavor and template, right? It makes us healers. Uh, right? But then when we really transcend what it is to be sad in the moment in the life you know we realize that you have two choices like they say the alcoholics kids can either never drink or always drink. >> So that's the amazing part of incarnation is the the degree to which we appear to have free will. So, I don't really think that I'm that happy a person, but I don't think I'm that sad either when I think about it. [laughter] >> And the absence of pain is really great. Like to be able to whenever something gets messed up like >> five years ago, I got really bad frostbite like ice water got in my Uggs. I took off my boots and they and my feet were black and blue. So, I took Exosomes four years ago and they've been fine. Lately, they've been a little cold. I might go skiing next week with my family. So, I just inject it around the arteries again. So, >> now we have something that can kind of >> regenerate whatever it is. And I feel like, you know, we could go a long time with those just those two. >> But, yeah, >> we've got the Vishnu and the Brahma. I'm not sure we I think it's really we need to do an end run around the um Shiva because the problem is depletion, right? So, my son and I went to Costa Rica this summer. He gave a lecture and next year he's give going back as a 27y old he's 26 now and freezing his stem cells because the 26 year old version of him is good. I mean there is some genetic mutation that happens right so if he needs an immune system 200 years in the future and they're still in business he can thaw it out and get his immune system back. So >> assuming he's going to live 200 years. [laughter] >> Well, that's the way you live 200 years by, you know, this we I used to deliver babies as an OB. >> And people would save cord blood. That's good. Not great. But if you could just save the placenta. >> I mean, the ability to thaw it out and extract just a little bit of stem cells. That's like trivial. That's like >> easy. Yeah. >> So, as a human, right, people should be able to bank their placentas and then, you know, whenever you need replacement organs in the future, you just scrape a little off and thaw it out and you're you're good to go. >> Wow, that's fascinating. Well, you know, you you opened up a lot of uh other other topics to talk about, but we're kind of out of time. Um I'm you know you have amazing mind and very very open to all possibilities and very curious about about new information in life. So it's that's really um commendable. >> Thanks. Yeah. No, I think my gift is to explain um kind of little complicated stuff in a simple way with analogies because you know I'm not like a scientist scientist. So, I just if you read any of my books, it'll you'll become like a pretty good you'll have a pretty good understanding of biology, cell biology. >> Right. Right. So, where can people find you if they wanted to work with you? >> Yeah. So, I practice in six states. I live in Southern California, but I go to Northern California, Utah, New York, Florida, Texas, and Hawaii. >> And um they can book a free consult, 20-minut Zoom consult, talk about their history. Uh that's www.rechargebiomedical.com. >> Awesome. >> And then I also have uh the YouTube channel which I've been maybe making videos for 17 years. >> And that's uh drp a rk65. >> Awesome. Great. >> Yeah. And we got the books out there too on Amazon. >> Yes. I'll have all of >> time bombs. Yep. >> Hey house's tie a miracle and my latest exosome songs of >> awesome. Awesome. Yep. And that's the one that I have. Yeah. Well, it was great great chatting with you. I I love all the information. It's yet another option for people to explore in trying to get their health um back to wellness and get out of being stuck in sickness. So, um >> yeah, I mean I it does great things like it helped my son's anxiety. He was really anxious five years ago. >> That was part of his journey. Now he's just much more present and happy. It helps with neuroinflammation. One of my best friends alcoholic. He stopped drinking for like six weeks. >> So um and a lot of the kids with autism are getting it and it helps their behavior and control. So some there is a thought that depression, mental illness, rumination is kind of like an inflammation of the brain. >> Yeah, it is. It is inflammation of the brain to >> and I think this really helps with inflammation. And there are various methods that we deliver it. But one of the most stunning things is a lot, not a lot, but sometimes you'll give a shot and someone says, "Whoa, my vision is so clear right now." >> And the only mechanism I can think is just the baseline inflammation in the occipital lobe. Or that the central processing unit in the brain, like the attention is so much more relaxed. >> That's really weird. Yeah. People say, "Oh my god, I can see so clearly." So, it's kind of like when you're parking your car, you got to turn on the radio so you can focus, you know? [laughter] It's that kind of thing. >> Yeah. Awesome. Awesome. Well, it's great chatting with you. Have a great holiday season. >> You, too. >> And happy new year. [music]

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