Lies My Government Told Me - Dr. Robert Malone (WiM191)
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when's the when's the starting from the back to front the release date is scheduled for september that's uh really a uh um overly pessimistic uh projection uh it was previously scheduled for release in march as i recall uh june i'm sorry i just got corrected in real time uh by my editor uh the um situation i'm told is that with amazon one you'll they'll allow you to have one strike but not two uh so important to set the projected uh delivery date out further uh since we already slipped the june one i think that uh sky horse was expecting a different book uh a much shorter one and uh one that was more straightforward to put together by making a compendium of comments from others and as i got into it that just didn't feel right uh and um i we started building the sub stack and using that as a way to serialize chapters and one thing led to another and now we're at 350 pages or something uh and and still going strong so that's that's the timeline the concept sky horse and tony lions are the folks that published bobby kennedy's book on real anthony couchy which i helped edit and um having uh completed that there was uh uh tony and and some of the others involved in producing the book really wanted me to try to put something together and they strongly advocated for that and um and the the concept was pretty open-ended uh we talked about a title and a general scope and uh that gave rise to this title the lies my government told me in the better times ahead is the context and uh and that that was the the initiate the genesis of this and then the question became well how do you structure that as any kind of a readable document i i didn't want to do i certainly didn't want to write an autobiography i was really uncomfortable with that uh and i didn't i didn't want to write just some straightforward [ __ ] list of stuff that has happened uh that's kind of boring uh and um also would become dated quite quickly uh in in multiple ways and so it it the the we talked about it jill and i quite a bit and came up with the idea that we might structure the book in the way that a physician approaches a patient that being that the typical interaction is you start off with the history and physical then you proceed to a diet a diagnosis and then you proceed to a therapeutic plan after you've worked through that it just kind of felt right to structure a document this way i hear from other authors and from tony this is unusual uh no one's uh that i've run into has ever heard of a book structured uh around the logic of how a physician approaches a patient uh so there's that i think that's a good thing um in a sense this is all about or ostensibly was originally about health care crisis then it made sense for that too so that's that's kind of what got us to where we are and and so this the it starts off as you know with an introduction that sets the stage of of how i got to this point and engaged in this uh issue of the public health response to covet 19 and found myself in some sort of a leadership position uh and then it proceeds to three parts history and physical exam or how do we get here which is a number of chapters that are basically um first-person narratives about people's experience uh many of them physicians but not all uh um there's a a first-person experience of a newspaper owner who got censored by his own newspaper for the story of a medical scientist talking about how he has worked in italy to create a new alternative medical system uh in the face of of what's happened in italy with golden care a decentralized system there's a gavin de becker talks about his point of view as an expert in fear uh and how fear has been weaponized and the consequences so a number of kind of uh first person narratives uh that gives people hopefully a sense of what it's been like on the front lines experiencing this and then uh goes into the second section that i titled diagnosis lies in the damage done which is more of a series of chapters pulled largely from the serialized substack and represent kind of a journey through time of various aspects of the crisis quote unquote and the response and the public policy as i've been trying to work through myself unders making sense out of what's been going on from a medical and scientific basis so there's a section medicine science philosophy and psychology that includes for instance the uh um issues about science and scientism you might enjoy that one rna vaccines drug repurposing matthias desmond wrote a section relating to mass formation psychosis um and so it works through those things and then the last section uh well no the next section is uh the media and media censorship propaganda and politics and then the one that's relevant to your core competence follow the money or economics which is of course the one that i'm weakest at it's not my core competence but i'm convinced that it's really the driver behind all of this uh that i've i've come to the point where i'm compelled that the public response globally as well as nationally just doesn't make sense from a strict public health standpoint it it has to be driven by something else and i think the alternative hypothesis is that it's been driven by economic factors that were really inconsistencies or um problems with the overall economic system that we've all been living in and then the last part is the treatment plan uh which is basically focusing on what the heck can we do about it and prevent it from happening again and how do we make sense of that and how do you how can one structure your life given all that we've been through and what we're seeing and what the forces seem to be that are arrayed against us so that's the structured book uh hopefully people find it useful the intention is to take more of a casual uh approach rather than a rigorous serious approach but uh be personable uh in and speak to people uh not from a standpoint of being an expert per se but uh trying to help them to process information uh philosophy and and the various models and make their own decisions about what they think about it it's super interesting very very original never seen a book of this scope put into a i guess a doctor's approach to dealing with a patient that's very novel and interesting um and something you you said there which i think we're going to zero in on today is this inversion you're describing where instead of looking at the past 24 months as a public health fiasco if you look at it instead of look at it instead as an economic story or an economic heist or i don't know what word you want to use here it tends to make things a little more clear in terms of like the motivations and the outcomes um and this reminds me of it's yeah go ahead i was just going to say it's been said to me before that if you stop conceiving of central banking as an economic institution and start conceiving it as a criminal institution then you're starting to get the true picture and it seems like i mean tell me where i'm wrong here but it seems like this you're catapulted into the limelight a bit as a result of this whatever public health crisis if that's what we're calling it and it uh seems to have sent you down this rabbit hole right i don't like how much of this when when this all began say march 2020 were you already kind of libertarian leaning that you were very skeptical of government and all of these uh large institutions like the world economic forum or is this something that has become like an organic progression over the past two years nowhere near the degree of skepticism that i have now i i don't think any of us that have had our eyes open and experienced this can come out the other side without um profoundly changing how you view government and uh centralized power and it may be that folks like yourself i think that economists in general may have a better comprehension of these macro uh phenomena um macroeconomics is is one of the key branches and it forces you to think about these things but for a doc like me busy working with the government trying to uh help develop vaccines or other biodefense measures i didn't really spend much time thinking about things i i've been to the world health organization enough times and spoken enough times and sat in enough meetings with very important people to be profoundly skeptical about the world health organization and its utility in anything other than uh scraping money out of people in order to finance a big fancy building and a lot of employees that have to live at the uh um the cost profile of geneva uh which is not trivial uh but uh that the um the skepticism about government if i can just illustrate i i kind of grew up in a world a scientific research world dominated by anthony thaucci uh you know starting with uh aids and uh i've seen him throughout my entire career dominate science and uh um routinely break rules of ethics and clinical research that if i broke i would basically be excommunicated i would no longer be able to practice clinical research and so it's just kind of i think for myself and a lot of folks we've just come to terms with the fact that the rules don't apply to tony uh and and it was uh the metaphor of the boiling frog uh with all of this uh i think that that i i had become uh numb to the gross inefficiencies of the entire uh hhs world i that when the key moment for me was that brett weinstein podcast uh dark horse podcast with steve kirsch uh where brett started talking about the big why and the big how how could this all be coordinated in the way that it's coordinated uh and why and ever since that moment uh which led me to uh being a major voice in pointing out for instance the uh trusted news initiative and its role in censorship globally etc i've been a little bit obsessed with how could this possibly be happening and why uh how could and as i traveled about europe and in the world and all over the united states i i saw these same behaviors in these same media uh plays and the same uh strategies with physicians globally uh and uh that was really hard for me to process how could this possibly happen and i had a film crew come on to the farm early on uh which included people that had uh actually been to the world economic forum and they uh spoke to me about the great reset and uh um klaus schwab and what goes on at wef and my reaction was uh okay fine um let's stay focused on uh the medical science and epidemiology and public health and if you say so i don't want to contradict you on film but it all sounds kind of crazy to me and then i had another uh two people visit the farm a few months later who were from a a very large organization public health organization that i i don't want to disclose a non-profit that is a advocacy organization for vaccine safety in children's health among other things and these two uh one's a lawyer and one's a physician uh we're also talking about this same uh conspiracy theory about the world economic forum and klaus schwab and all that and once again i thought this just sounded uh um a little too far out for me but i humored them and but at that point i started reading about it and learning about it and um trying to put together the pieces that this may be driven by something other than uh public health because the the logic of it being about public health just didn't fit the data of the behaviors right uh and that's what led me down uh to we we got it jill and i got a copy of kova 19 the great reset by klaus which he managed to get out in uh four months ostensibly uh i think he's posted in april uh um talking about openly about all this industrial revolution and the fusion man and machine and uh the need for uh population uh modification and uh um resetting the economics and it was all there and uh then then you have to start taking it seriously and uh as as i have so that forced me to take a dive into what is the world economic forum and try to make sense out of it and then uh and then i encountered um uh some work a speech that had been uh given uh last fall by a german uh economist that put the hypothesis that this was really all about uh the economics and uh the uh pushing towards the limits of the uh well let's i i i hesitate to use the word capitalism the economic system that we currently operate under in a globalized sense and uh and that that has reached the point where the internal contradictions of its structure economically are starting to cascade as they did in 0708 with a great recession but perhaps even more so mechanization artificial intelligence and the other drivers that are resulting in greater manufacturing efficiency and reduced need for labor uh in and that's kind of what drove me down this pathway of uh certainly having to actively consider the alternative hypothesis that none of this has really been about public health and in processing it from that frame of reference i'm i'm compelled i'm i'm now in with the crazy conspiracy crowd that this has not been about uh public health the the true pub and and one of the tells here i think is that as bobby kennedy predicted on the steps of the lincoln memorial during the stop the mandates rally in dc last winter when he said once they take power they will never get back unless you force them and that provoked uh all kinds of outcry and whales of anguish from the press but in fact he's been exactly right uh and we see that in the maintenance of the uh state of medical emergency despite the fact that clearly there's no yeah well it's a lot there you know i just uh doing a call back to what you said about fauci where you have an individual that the rules just don't apply to you and you had to come to accept that what's interesting to me about that is that is the core problem right the core problem is this asymmetric or the this asymmetry of rules right the the meme that often goes around as rules for thee not for me as is something that you know some member of the wef would say and ultimately that is the core problem because if you can fight over the power to change the rules that means you can win the game forever but if the rules are just fixed and equitable then you'll just play the game so we have this this whole political machine it seems like centered around gaining control over the rules so they can you know quote unquote when in perpetuity and that appears to me to be what the wef is playing for right to play playing for this slot of one world government or governance system whatever you want to call it and the contradictions are systemic as you said because this this group that calls itself the world economic forum they actually speak out against private property they speak out against the eating of meat you know the most nutritious food in the world and you to call yourself the world economic forum and then say we're gonna undermine or attack private property you cannot have an economy without private property so it's it's totally contradictory um and you know people it's intrinsically marxist yeah and again back to the central bank that's that's what the central bank is it's straight out of marx's manifesto of the communist party so not surprising that the world's sort of tilting that way and i would strongly agree with the gentleman that says this is much more of an economic story because ultimately it has to be an economic story right otherwise whatever's happening wouldn't be sustainable there has to be some carrot that's being pursued to mobilize all this activity you can't just do it for some ephemeral public good or public health there has to be a carrot so the thing that people back a few months ago a lot of people would uh fall back on the logic that the profit for pfizer and modernity is so compelling that it's motivating black rock and state street um larry fink etc to uh um implement practices which are contrary to the general public good and so so if this was this is described as all being about the profit from pfizer basically and when you examine that although the profit is substantial and the vaccines are the most profitable drug on an annualized basis ever these genetic vaccines uh but it was pointed out to me early that in the face of for instance the profit annually made by the likes of facebook or any of the tech giants uh or microsoft the profits from pfizer actually aren't that big and so uh then the fallback was well then it's about the market cap and the increase in valuation in pfizer but that's still not so substantial that if it would uh merit this kind of a harmonized global response that is uh so counterproductive for the overall economy for instance the lockdowns when you confront the lockdowns and the economic damage of the lockdowns then the potential profit generated by pfizer selling vaccines to governments worldwide uh shrinks to insignificance uh and then then you have to say okay there has to be something else going on here it's not just about the fact that larry fink wants to make a bunch of bucks on his pfizer shares uh and you know larry fink using as a straw man for all of the whole food chain potentially including a large fraction of our congress uh you know everybody has made a book on this for sure uh that have have been in the know uh not the least of which is uh mr gates but it just it's it if if if the world leaders are willing to impose all of this grief the lockdowns the authoritarian measures uh what we saw happen in canada new zealand and australia uh germany austria uh if if if this is all just about pfizer profit that that just doesn't compute it doesn't make sense doesn't fit the data it's got to be something more right right yeah the concerted action worldwide it just it seems like it's much larger than just one multinational i would say absolutely and the best explanation that the kind of the thing that cracked it open for me was uh the logic that has been put out in some very nice little video clips uh about monopoly or otherwise that make the point that um we have massive horizontal integration of all of these of industry industrial verticals really now including government uh so we really don't no longer have an independent media to to a very significant extent the media is all owned by a small number of central groups and i was fascinated today as i was poking around about this in finding this op-ed from the new york times of all places uh that uh by uh farhad manju uh um titled what blackrock vanguard and state street are doing to the economy gary's talking about um the uh new startup uh called strive uh that you're probably familiar with uh but saying flat out a intended to be an alternative to uh the other central funds like blackrock vanguard and state street that will not be engaged in politics uh but uh we'll see how that goes um but uh the point here made on may 12th uh by the new york times in an op-ed column is raising the alarm that uh in a very short period of time blackrock state street and vanguard will virtually control all of american business uh and um that's not such a good thing which i i was a little bit to see the new york times saying that but that's when when when it was pointed out to me that this small number of massive investment asset management groups are controlling virtually all of these verticals of uh tech media finance um uh government to a very large extent particularly with um that uh then it makes sense that in pharma of course that they are all behaving as divisions of one company because functionally they are in terms of board management when when it was revealed to me that uh um thompson reuters uh chairman of the board sits on the board of pfizer then suddenly the behaviors of thompson reuters become so then then then you have to say okay what is the organizational structure that brings all these entities together well and hence my essay in the book making the point that functionally the world economic forum is a trade organization but what it represents is the interests of the thousand largest corporations in the world and their owners it's a very exclusive trade organization but that's yeah yeah you do excellent job of uh describing it um and i think if you trace those that ultimate beneficial ownership interest all the way down to the individuals you end up at who i think you describe in the book here is the eight families right eight families that own most of the central banks and then most of the shares and everything else um i would like to read one little excerpt here this is just at the beginning of uh chapter 34 if that's all right with you of course i know the book's not published yet um just i thought it really set the stage for everything we're talking about you wrote that policies and practices designed to drive either individuals or nation-states into debt have long been a preferred method for political coercion co-option enslavement incremental dominance and control a form of subtle creeping indentured servitude neither individuals communities businesses nor nation-states can be free when they are indebted financially or otherwise to another this subtle method of control by both nation-states and their citizens i'm sorry of both nation-states and their citizens has been consciously intentionally and strategically deployed by central banks for centuries this is the method by which the world economic forum itself a guild representing the interests of the largest corporations and their controlling owners seeks to transform itself into a fascist quite the indictment of the situation we're in but this is honestly no surprise whatsoever if you understand how the fiat currency complex works right it's it's a wealth and power centralizing apparatus so it doesn't to me it's not surprising at all in retrospect to see it's it's been surprising to me how fast this all happened over the past two years but it's not so surprising to me that it is happening this fact that we're getting this centralized uh non-government organization trying to become global government well i i appreciate and respect uh your reading that in tacitly endorsing the point of view i i'd like to say one thing about it i use the term fascism in the book and uh fairly frequently but i'm careful to define it before i started using it and i'm using the definition that is whether true or not attributed to benito mussolini that fascism is corporatism it is the fusion of the entrance of the state with the corporation i'm not using it in this kind of reflexive knee-jerk uh fascists are hitler youth uh that went marching in the streets of charlottesville right down the road from me uh you know and the proud boys i that's not fascist that's something else uh but uh i'm i'm referring to it in a strict political science sense of a authoritarian system uh that fuses the interests of the corporation and the state and i i frequently through the book point out that uh we have a popular euphemism that's used a phrase that really is the definition of fascism and we use it all the time and we don't even think about it it's public private partnership right we use the phrase public-private partnership as if it's uh you know uh um you know rainbow uh unicorns uh um you know in in roses and smiles uh you know who could be against public-private partnership no public-private partnership is fascism right it is the fusion of the interests of the corporation in the state and that is precisely what we have as far as i'm concerned and it has a it has come to the point where it has an authoritarian overlay because that appears to be a very convenient way to manage a restless population and the thing that worries me most about it i mean the whole thing is just profoundly upsetting when you work through it and really look it in the face i mean when you first encounter this i i run into this all the time and i experience it myself you see these things you read these words uh from the likes of schwab and his chief science officer uh who's a stand-in from england as far as i'm concerned that uh we need to reduce the global population and you hear these phrases like useless eaters and you think oh this must just be a caricature of these people um they can't really be saying these things they can't really believe in eugenics they can't really believe that a large fraction of the population is disposable and expendable and they need to get rid of it that can't possibly be the case how could that happen how could people say such things you you recoil from it just instinctively that can't be and yet when you look in the face and you look at the underlying economics and remember that the genesis of uh the world economic forum is our good friend mr henry kissinger who is the godfather of real politic so kissinger and his acolytes live in a world where they focus on what they believe to be realism political realism and they park the ideas of morality and values they're irrelevant in their world framing right uh and so if you say okay let's take that as a starting point let's believe that klaus schwab a whose mentor is kissinger he's still there he's attended the last meeting i'm surprised he's still alive but there it is um and uh let's let's take as a starting point that these guys truly believe in the logic of real politic and so these things like human values in in in human beings are really just economic units just components on the chess board to be manipulated for some ulterior purpose you take that as a starting point and then you say oh well they've driven the world economic system into a position they're imagining these guys are imagining what the fifth industrial revolution looks like right the fourth industrial revolution that's silicone driven is uh reaching its nader now it's it's it's apogee it's it's kind of uh maxing out uh and we're seeing the consequences of that we're seeing a widespread transformation of the global economy into what i believe there's two major uh commodities now we spoke about this the other day in my opinion there's two commodities that matter information and energy of course and so the fourth is about processing the information the the structure of what ai will do to the world economy is now increasingly apparent in robotics in their envisioning that the fifth revolution that they're trying to anticipate is this blending of man and machine it sounds like something that's straight out of a dystopian near-term science fiction uh what you know some blend of uh terminator and matrix but uh there we have it that seems to be what they're envisioning and there seem to be planning for that future how do we get there and one of the problems with that future is we've got excess labor capacity for sure full stop what are we going to do about it right yeah it's quite alarming to say at least um and you you know you go on in this chapter describing how debt is one of the main tools that gets people locked into this system and how even certain uh either medical experts or economists would be less likely to speak out against all of this given their level of indebtedness so i guess the punchline would be there's an inverse relationship between your level of indebtedness and your sovereignty from this system right it really really can distort your work and your message and cause you to turn a blind eye to certain things that you might otherwise not if you are not indebted to that very system um and on the point i think this may be the the most uh compelling explanation for the behavior of my uh medical colleagues uh that the financial systems have them by the short and curlies they they really don't have much operational latitude uh they've invested you know most of them are six figure deep six figure in debt um they have growing families they have mortgages and uh they don't have the latitude to d and and they're all it used to be they were basically small businessmen they were independent operators and they no longer are over 70 of all physicians work for one of these mega hospital systems they they don't have the luxury of independent thought and independent speech yeah so they are another uh i guess they are victims of this rising trend in global fascism and again using this precise definition i would i would say to try and explain the arrow of causality as i understand it is again you have the central bank at the heart of every state it's an organization that can never never not produce a profit it's perpetual profit it then uses uh that centralization of wealth really to start acquiring more of the corporate sector so i think that's the merger that takes place between state and corporate interest is that the the fiat currency spigot is used to buy up a lot of a lot of private industry over time and this this is the infection we're describing this this blurring of public private everything and as you point out in your book too you said the world economic forum even defines itself as the international organization for public private cooperation which is you say which is a really carefully wordsmith way of saying that the world economic forum is a centralized trade organization for promoting international corporatism so it's not it's it's very out in the open right this is there's not a lot hidden here that this is fascism yeah hidden in plain view and we've seen this before even the definition that you gave from from mussolini right we've seen the historical consequences of fascism on the world stage on the geopolitical stage yet here we are again right we we've we have not learned the lessons of history i am i think i think that um as i i try to process this like you are um you know for me i'm a low-level person in the economic ladder of the world um but i'm trying to make sense of it and uh what i see is that these people that populate the these largest of large corporations and come together in davos you know the they have attained their positions of wealth and power through monopolistic practices they they truly believe that monopoly works it works for them right it's worked really good for them to have monopolistic business practices of course system-wide it destroys innovation it destroys efficiency monopolistic practices are the anathema of capitalism right they are the enemy of capitalism um but uh this is a collection of people that have won uh through monopolistic practices and and i i often refer to mr gates now i've been reprimanded that at one point in his life he was actually a good coder i've been told so i'll take that for granted but i think what he is is a uh an enormously skilled monopolist uh and i refer that he you know he he he kind of got his hand spanked over the browser as you'll recall and almost immediately he pivoted to moving uh in ways that i assert represent application of monopolistic practices to world health he has come to dominate and distort world health because he is a monopolist that is how he thinks it's how he's wired right and i think that's true with all these people so they they truly believe based on their experience their life experience centralized governance um monopolies are uh good things i think they truly believe it i think they believe that the world would be a better place if we had less organizational diversity if we were more centralized if the world was logically broken up into a small number of geographic clustered uh political entities all uh governed by one super entity i think they think that would be uh the most efficient and you probably recall in some of the other chapters i speak about utilitarianism uh in the fusion of utilitarianism and marxism the the idea that uh the world can be reduced to a spreadsheet if we only have enough data right and once so reduced it can be optimized i think this is the logic that is driving the need for digital identities uh and for collection of massive amounts of data so that it can apply their artificial intelligence algorithms or machine learning algorithms or deep learning algorithms when you're in that i think that they truly believe that if they only had enough data they could maximize the greatest uh benefit for the for the greatest number uh and and they that the only thing standing there between net because of the fourth industrial revolution the rise of uh machine learning the only thing standing that between that nirvana and the present is uh being able to identify every single one of us and all of our economic activities and controlling and optimizing it yeah yeah and this is i mean maybe this perhaps runs that deep where they just still have this newtonian world view that we live in this billiard bar ball universe and that human beings are just little pieces to be moved around on this game board um but it it betrays this disbelief in self-organization like we see animals self-organize right they don't need to be ruled to to live in herds and whatnot they just they organize themselves and uh this has also been called the fatal deceit where this idea that people need to be ruled or people need to be managed people need to be told what to do to have a functioning society like this whole illusion of the necessity of authority i think is something that we it's it's almost implicit in a lot of our mental frameworks because it's been the norm throughout history but it's not there's no rational basis for it other than there's uh a desire for some human beings to be in power over others there's a desire for relative power so i'm going to pull in another thread that's in the book which is the logic of matthias decimate and mass formation um matthias makes the point that the vast majority of people want to be governed this gives rise to the mean uh govern me harder daddy uh right yeah you get it right um and and uh we see that in action we see that in medicine this is one of the first lessons i was taught when i was going into my clinical training is that um as somebody who approaches the world as a scientist and thinks that everybody else wants to know all the facts so they can make their own decisions i thought well this is the way everybody is but they're not most patients want to be told what to do they don't want to make their own decisions and uh i think a strong case can be made that maybe only 10 percent of the population really want to be free and the problem is i both live in that 10 and probably most of your podcast listeners live in that 10 of people that um want to be self actualized uh free persons we we can guys like you and me if if we were put in the lock up we would go crazy and commit suicide eventually probably or we'd have to you know dive into the library and read the books or some find some mental okay but we're we're not wired uh to have a boss i mean if if you're required to have a boss you probably wouldn't be living in hawaii doing podcasts you'd be working for klaus schwab you know blackrock uh like ed used to work uh for um uh so uh i i that's the problem with that thesis is is there is a uh an intrinsic bias in thinking that the rest of the world uh most people value that which we value right and and i think that's probably not true most people just want to be told what to do yeah that's what i it's hard it's yeah i i hear you loud and clear that we can't assume that the way we see the world is the way the world sees itself um but i think given you know if there was sufficient symmetry of information when people just knew what was going on i think most people would migrate away from the authoritarian model right towards something a little more free so uh the the psychology kind of modeling and teaching about this is that there's a large fraction of the population that's kind of agnostic they don't care they go this way that way and uh and they're looking for evidence they're there you talked about the hurt they're they're looking for evidence that this worldview is um uh accepted and um the people that they admire ascribe to that world view and then they'll follow those people uh and right now uh they've all been taught and it's so heavily reinforced in the media that uh this uh globalist point of view is the way forward uh and and i think that the you know there's there as you know there's a lot of pain to being uh at the tip of the spirits and being free being free is not an easy uh choice to make taking responsibility for your actions and their outcomes and owning it is is not the the easy road no but yeah it seems to be the only path towards the most meaning in life right you got to take ownership and responsibility otherwise because you are an actualized uh individual well even if you're not if you abdicate that ownership of someone else it seems like it never works in your favor right yeah now i'd like to tell you about a great new bitcoin show on the scene that you've got to check out brought to you by swan studios and bitcoin magazine this show is hard money with natalie brunell natalie is an emmy-nominated journalist bringing 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similar to what they did and then they grew up uh under this belief right that everyone needs to be ruled and managed and um you know monopolistic business practices all of this do you think that concentrates that world view over time as you as we go from like generation to generation so that perhaps i don't know klaus schwab's family history but perhaps he's like a fifth or sixth generation um you know authoritarian if you will uh right so you're being very gentle in touching klaus schwab's family uh um which goes back to germany in the 20s and 30s we'll leave it at that um uh i don't i i don't interact with these people they don't interact with me i have no way to get into their heads uh all we can do is look at the data of how they behave right uh um the other day i was walking through um with a colleague trying to think about what metaphors historically might be useful in thinking about the future uh a future in which we've had we move towards a more centralized authoritarian world and we're seeking to build intentional communities as uh um heretics uh just to choose a term or outliers or whatever you want to say freedom-loving persons um what could be the historic metaphors that we could go to to try to help us think about systems that would work and and i and i keep falling back personally to uh the centuries immediately before the italian renaissance and then subsequent so up through the 1600s when we had the growth of uh what was the central bank of the world uh that being the medicis uh who lost their dominance in the 1600s during the war of the roses because they were forced to uh loan capital to the losing side in the war of the roses they were forced because of textile issues because their bank was linked to the textile industry um so they were forced in the position they made loans that were unsustainable they their side lost the war which if you if you take the lesson from that uh and you are the rothschilds or rockefellers who fill in the blank and along comes world war one and world war ii of course you're gonna back both sides if you're familiar with the history banking why wouldn't you back both sides that would be foolish would be bad business right we're all all of us have umbrage because they did this but if you look at it from their real politic perspective of course they did it's the right thing to do and the colleague pointed out he said well when did the medici bank collapse they said well in the 1600s and so we're talking and and he says uh and he says well when did the uh um so yeah this this uh ancient history of uh generation generational wealth uh which we saw play out with the medicis also uh um uh and the uh building of a family culture uh that would enable the us uh perpetuation of this uh i think is entirely what why wouldn't it occur it's exactly what you'd expect to occur um and uh um so how how extreme is it you read the you know if the world economic forum's documents represents an embodiment of the culture that we're talking about that controls the majority of the world's wealth and the banks the central banks with few exceptions uh iran being one uh i mean there's a whole dark version of history when you look at it through this lens and uh in that that version of world history vladimir putin comes out looking pretty good uh you know it's the self-image that he has apparently of being the savior of christendom and the western world uh you know a lot will dispute that but uh you can see how that might be uh in his frame of reference and uh that these central bankers uh from the point of view of of some nation states uh might be the enemy uh um and might truly be i mean a lot of people these days use the language of good versus evil and uh often the uh people that are grounded in christian theology often cite um various chapters in the bible that speak of the end times but that seems to often be the case whenever there's a crisis of some sort but but they they many people make the case that um these behaviors are i don't know what to say about these these folks yeah by their actions yeah i would just highlight here the fact that okay roth's child's come to power in the 1600s here we are in the early 21st century there's still still the most or one of the most wealthy families in the world that's not how capitalism typically works right you usually have a family fortune created in railroad or steel or oil whatever the the tech of the day is and then they have you know several generations of family wealth but other entrepreneurs come up and you know you get the new elon musk or jeff bezos of the world kind of uh displacing entrepreneurs of of old but when a rot one family comes and sits on top for the whole time like you know something's wrong like something is not functioning correctly so does does elon in in it implies that they're actually quite sophisticated and good at it uh and have uh formed excellent advisors uh so give them credit where credits do yeah sure if if that's your goal is uh amassing wealth and power if it's the thing that makes your uh clock tick uh they've done it uh exceptionally well i think the medicis were for 500 years and uh now we're at 600 uh plus a year so six six to seven centuries for these folks um that's a pretty good run yeah uh attention musk if you accept this version of history then uh you see things like musk makes his decision on apparently on a whim uh that he's going to purchase twitter uh because he doesn't like the uh censorship and the impact on free speech and uh shortly thereafter you see because he doesn't have uh that kind of cash just sitting around not just sitting on a bunch of gold bars uh and um you know no matter what the appreciation was in gold coin uh and um and so he makes this announcement and within a short period of time the market cap for tesla drops on insane level 600 million or something 600 uh no not a million billion right um uh whatever the number was it was huge and it created for him a liquidity problem uh where he no longer could act unilaterally and if you take a point of view um which i increasingly do um elon got spanked right uh by the big funds uh all they had to do you know you live in a world uh and i'm increasingly learning about this world of hostile takeovers etc uh market caps on companies can be manipulated uh in amazing ways through uh all kinds of mechanisms all it takes is somebody deciding who has a major stake deciding they want to dump a fraction at the substantial fraction of that and are willing to take a haircut um to uh you know if you're sitting on all you know the majority of the capital in the world yeah and by the way you own banks that just print the capital anyhow um so money is it those folks the money that i you and i the likes of you and i experience have it's no relationship right to the world they live um they just reprimand uh uh mr musk and bring him back in line uh we haven't seen that twitter deal consummated yet right uh i i i i suspect there's no way for me to know that um the folks that live in this uh very different reality financial reality uh um are able to operate and impose their will on people who need capital uh in ways that you and i can't even imagine let me illustrate with another example that i heard when i was at uh the sovereign man conference in austin uh two weekends ago um they were talking about the uh um the co2 credit system and uh that um uh we have these uh esg scores now that are being applied uh to companies and there was a talk from a gentleman who represented who was a senior executive in the petroleum industry and was involved in wildcatting and other types of exploration and he made the case that because uh companies in the petroleum sector had horrid esg scores because they were working in petroleum by definition they could no longer access capital and as a consequence there was no way that they were able to make major investments in this extremely capital intensive industry of energy exploration uh they were locked out they couldn't grow which is exactly what the person speaking at the time used uh larry fink as his straw man but he basically made the point that this uh individual or small number of individuals were able to set a policy globally that uh companies with an esg score akin to a credit score right uh below a certain level would not be able to get loans just like i can't get a credit card if my uh credit score falls beyond a certain below a certain level right um same thing applies for esg uh and um so this these major financial powerhouses are able to completely distort economies they're able they're they're able to exert so much influence that they functionally own the us government right blackrock coming out of the financial crisis with the financial instruments that it developed at our expense right um when you go back in history you have to ask yourself the question has has this been the case through the entire history of the united um uh is is this and and we have a chapter on that talking about uh this tension uh back in the time of jefferson jefferson versus hamilton yeah is is this only the fundamental paradox at the heart of the american experiment central bank versus individual autonomy yeah jefferson being very resistant to the idea and hamilton advocating for some rulership interest right in the united states um yeah it does seem to me that when you i guess the critical difference is that every business in the world has to produce a profit to survive but when you install a central bank they just it can never produce a loss so it just it sucks the value out of everything else even though it's not doing anything value additive it's not adding any new wealth or property or equipment into the world it's just money changing to use the biblical term it's just sucking wealth it's a parasite on a productive economy yeah the central banks i think a strong case can be made using a biologic metaphor that the central banks are parasitic yes and we haven't been able to shake the parasite for all of time because the temptation is so great for people to engage in that parasitism and uh the there are those who make the case that every american president that has tried to buck the central bank system has experienced violence uh in typically assassination yeah if you think if you take the view that these people uh live in more of a medieval mentality uh where um what you and i accept is human rights and norms and rules and ethics don't really apply to them right then uh political assassination is just a tool as it's been yeah it's a great point and then so i asked you earlier about the intergenerational sociopathy because that makes it almost scarier too it's like if these people are they they've been fit for this type of activity for many generations so they're probably really good at it but what seems to be transpiring is the technological landscape changed so quickly in the digital age that a lot of these power structures are just trying to reconfigure themselves right they're trying to adapt to the new and that is our thesis is they know that they are coming up against the terminal phase of the paradox of capitalism as they practiced its status to capitalism and uh and they don't really know what's on the other side they they how how can you anticipate if there's going to be a boundary event of any type and and i think most of us and i suspect a lot of your peers concur that there is some financial boundary event coming we can use terms like catastrophe or whatever there's some structural paradox of of uh the system built on central banks and fiat currency that's coming at us and and uh you know is it going to be triggered by the co the bankruptcy of the social security system is it going to be is it going to happen this fall um you know uh is it is it going to be i i've heard said again and again that the trigger the risk trigger is that um they push uh the in the interest rates past the threshold that will trigger one of the major nation states to default um because they put all these nation states on this massive amount of debt including the united states and if you push you know if you push the interest rates just a tiny bit higher than they are right now then suddenly that debt which is already unsustainable goes exponential [Music] and then there's no choice but to default and that default will trigger a cascading default like we basically saw in o708 i can never get out of my brain the moment that i saw that ships were no longer moving globally you know and in just encountering that fact that ships could not leave port right uh in in in wondering what the hell does that mean how does that even happen um yeah it's a it's an attack on the foundations of civilization and it does seem to be intentional because people when they're panicked or emotional or scared they're just easier to corral into these pre-established channels of control um and yeah i don't know it's it's a bit a bit disquieting to say the least but um you know i i don't know what else we can do other than make ourselves expensive to tyranny and educate people as best as we can and you're doing a great job of that well you saw um you're in the crypto space as i understand it um and uh what i hear uh from my crypto buddies who are uh amazingly highly placed uh because i've been sucked into the axis of miami and puerto rico uh in in those people uh and um you know brock is is a mid-tier player pierce uh um just as one example and and what i hear from these people was that um that the the story i get is that elon was supposed to be pushing cyber higher uh uh prior to the miami conference this year and that he got a call and was told no um you're not going to do that you're going to uh do these things that is going to cause the currency crypto world to to collapse we want you to kill cyber currency we do not want you to pump it and he came out with a series of statements uh in which he basically threw cold water on the whole crypto scene and that seems to have triggered a cascade of events that we're now seeing play out and the people that i've been dealing with that used to be sitting on billions literally are now finding themselves sitting on millions and those that were in the hundred million range are now sitting at five million that's a rough awakening uh i have to sell the plane um uh um that that was that there the thesis is there has been an intentional effort to collapse decentralized crypto uh as part of the strategic plan moving forward now that sounds paranoid and conspiracy-ish but um i i know that the organizers of the miami bitcoin conference had uh sought to have me give a platform presentation and were told directly by uh institutional investors that they will not do that and so i ended up uh speaking in a small venue to the bitcoin wales off uh central stage uh but um you know we we are in a situation in which there are some uh economic forces at play here that are in a position that they can move markets with a phone call of course yeah and there's lots of machinations to the naked shorting and all of this they they can manipulate markets very heavily all markets accept bitcoin that is i mean you can take a shot at it and you can cause different disruptions but it's the one network where they cannot change the rules i can't you know the broader crypto space is much more murky because there's a lot of you know [ __ ] games going on inside of those as well but i'm not surprised to hear that you know a black rock or a vanguard would have at least contributed to the attacks on some of these networks um but ultimately you know it seems like the key is the financial system if you get the financial system out from under monopoly control then the rest of this stuff becomes much more mild because it's just not affordable at that point it's much harder to corral people when you can't control their money i am completely convinced that um if we find ourselves in a world in which uh we because of npt codes and other tools that can be deployed to control us digital ids etc those of us that seek freedom um let's imagine that we decide to opt out and uh create your paradise on oahu or the big island wherever you are in my paradise here in madison county uh um in rural virginia just as two metaphors um i i find myself trying to think through what does that look like and one of the things that i come back to again and again is there does need to be some token some medium of exchange uh because a pure barter system is just too cludgy once you get beyond as an amish community i mean an amish community of families can exist and that's part of why they exist as little pods as cells because i think they grow to a point of unsustainability and then they break off that seems to be how the amish and the mennonite operate so if they are kind of a metaphor for an intentional community and their rate limited because they uh rely on a barter system let's just take that as a starting point intellectually then if we want to grow as an intellectual community we do need to have some token i'm avoiding the term currency something and it could be precious metal based but the argument goes that there isn't enough precious metal to go around to really support that logic and precious metal as a medium of exchange as you know has a lot of intrinsic inefficiency and challenges you have to um contain it in some way that it is uh resistant to theft etc and at some point it gets too heavy to haul around um but there has to be some medium of exchange and that means that there has to be some local banking structure i i think that um that whether you know there's the savings and loan industry got gutted in 07.08 as you know onto the benefit of the large banks once again uh but is it credit unions some entity that is based that is with intrinsic to intentional communities i think is gonna have to be built and uh as i imagine that um i i have to think that a if we have an in tech electrical grid in some way of transmitting information if that's a characteristic of an intentional community then um a uh decentralized cyber currency has a lot of merit but are we gonna see a world in which um there is a a group of decentralized cyber currencies that are community based i i can't have problems thinking through what this looks like if i i'll throw some of my thoughts here just to share it um you know the precious metal pegging a currency to the precious metal the value in that is that you can't counterfeit the precious metal whereas you can counterfeit the paper so the by pegging it to a precious metal or giving people the right to convert it into precious metal it keeps the bank honest basically they have they can't lie they can't counterfeit currency because they can't counterfeit gold for instance so it's to the extent that precious metal requires energy to produce like energy that you can't counterfeit effectively that it provides this sort of restraining function and you know that's where bitcoin is so valuable is that it's just rooted directly in energy takes energy to produce it just like it takes energy to produce gold for instance and it does it in a way that you don't need banking infrastructure actually doesn't mean you can't have it you could still have banks you can still put your bitcoin on deposit with banks uh and issue currencies on top of them and whatnot but it's not required and i you know my big advice to you getting into the space especially around crypto people that like to talk about decentralize this and decentralize that there's only one decentralized asset in the world and it's bitcoin everything else is controlled everything else is controlled by at least a group often an individual are often a trust so we talk in bitcoin a lot about this acronym dyno bino decentralized in name only so a lot of these other communities and currencies and projects i would say all of them would be my opinion none of none of them are decentralized only bitcoin is so i think what you're describing you know bitcoin can provide that value prop that non-state digital monetary base a counterpoint to that a little bit it's not a it's not a it's not a uh alternative um but an observation uh we we both are aligned that uh a bitcoin as a representation of a solution to a computational algorithm which requires energy to solve um it has the benefit that it cannot just be produced willy-nilly whenever somebody wants to turn on the printing press that's right but ideally in an ideal world bitcoin would represent since it represents energy it would be possible to reconvert it back to energy that that energy was somehow intrinsically trapped in that in a way that can be converted so for instance gold or silver or platinum or copper um has uh intrinsic value as a uh a metal for a variety of different applications um it doesn't lose that intrinsic property as a precious metal it has it it's it's core to its characteristics yeah um so that's that's one thing that i've heard about uh the bitcoin world is it would be ideal now here's another thing about bitcoin that uh i'd love to hear your thoughts on uh another thing that i encountered when i was at the sovereign man conference uh was a group that had built a uh massively integrated chip it had something like 2400 processors on a single chip and they're now uh almost completely through the prototype testing phase and they're about to go to the forge to start building them and it has some algorithms that are optimized for for mining uh and it turns out that it has a fraction of the power drain of the current uh chipsets that are used for bitcoin lighting so one of the things about that i'm pointing out is that the energy required that goes into that bitcoin is subject to technologic improvements that might enable much more rapid solution of that computational algorithm that's all yeah um definitely the chips get better and faster at solving the mining algorithm but ultimately the new amount of competitors coming online to solve for that tends to adjust it upward so you've got more and more people competing to mine bitcoin and the algorithm itself this is kind of the magic of the whole thing it's actually calibrating itself to be as difficult as it needs to be so that there's new blocks every 10 minutes so if it goes if a lot less people start mining it becomes easier to mine bitcoin if a lot more people start mining it becomes harder so it's like it's a it's an adaptive money which is really interesting like it adapts to human action um on the the money energy topic i agree to some extent like it's ideal clearly you want your money you want to have an energy cost to money production so that no one becomes a currency counterfeiter like a central bank or there's no energy costs to produce dollars for instance um and i guess in an ideal world you would also want that money exchangeable back into energy so it's almost like a battery but the problem is you're we're talking about a socio it's a socio-economic phenomenon or a social technology so you know you put you expend energy to mine gold you can't convert the gold back to the energy you use to mine it now to your earlier point gold has utility that's not money right it can go be used in computers and dentistry and all this other stuff but it's not directly convertible back into energy other than in a market transaction right you could use the gold to buy energy from the grid or wherever so i think that in that sense bitcoin is actually a better money because it's pure it doesn't have a utility value so for instance if gold's market cap is 10 trillion dollars one trillion of that might be demand for computers and dentistry and whatnot maybe 9 trillion of that market cap is for demand of gold as money well whatever bitcoins market cap is it has no other utility value so it's all monetary premium it's like a pure monetary technology something we've never had before but then there's the so the counterpoint that kind of touches on what we're talking about is peg currency it's peg cyber currency yeah it would be uh more compelling if uh and i think there's a lot of different commodities um that one could uh peg a uh decentralized algorithm-based cyber currency to um other than just precious metals or uh fiat currency well that's one of the collapse fiat currency uh cyber currency just recently yeah sorry sorry to interject just wanted to say that um bitcoin being rooted directly into energy i think is the best choice because if you try to root it into or peg it to a precious metal you end up with an oracle problem that's what they call this in computer science like who do you trust to maintain the peg we just tried that with central banking right it was the dollar was pegged to gold yeah well trust you guys and maintain the peg and then what happens it never the peg is never maintained human nature and human corruption ruins the whole thing um but you know bitcoin's just this invention that sort of circumvents that to some extent and and look i mean admittedly you're talking to a guy that holds only bitcoin i've i've studied this whole space for years and years i you know used to run a font on the other stuff crypto can be very bright and shiny and exciting but you know my current views on it are that it's mostly scams scams at worst or innovation theater at best i don't think there's a lot of real utility that's come out of that sector yet i'm not i'll reserve the humility to say that i don't know everything and maybe something does work out but um it does seem like bitcoin is is the success story in the sector to date so i i'm with you that in as we try to imagine getting back on topic um if if uh if we if the the theorem here that this is a really a uh amazingly coordinated global uh gamble uh by people uh that have had a multi-generational lock on power and wealth if if we accept that hypothesis for the sake of argument yeah um and uh they may or may not succeed in their gambit to maintain that uh dominance uh through a boundary event that i think probably you and most of your listeners would concur is on the horizon uh um and there's all the nuance of the interaction of labor and mechanization and everything else as moved through that boundary of that if they maintain their power or consolidate it as they appear to be then for those of us who don't want to live under an authoritarian highly controlled structure as opposed to those that uh we could refer to them as sheep uh as a pejorative people who just want to be told what to do and their purple intent to live in that world but for you and i um we're not we're never happy that's we would consider that the equivalent of uh being chained to the tree in the yard barking at the mailman um then then what are our options and and i i do think that that uh we fall back to a world almost no matter what i i i think of the metaphor of the monasteries uh during the dark ages uh which are kind of the ultimate intentional community if you think back you know i'm trying to look back in history and say well what's a metaphor that we could use and build on that actually worked at some period in human history monasteries kind of are that thing um in in a lot of ways so if that's a metaphor um what what does a monastery need well monastery is actually a small community much like an amish community and it can get by with barter and exchange and it basically runs as a commune with a central authority figure and a power structure that's that was you know the abbot uh um uh and then they interacted and traded with each other over long uh distances uh um and were subject to predation thievery etc during those transactions uh but that that was the world so if if that is kind of the starting point for imagining what a intentional community and i and i can see um in my own world um the gradual assembly of a community starting to happen of largely libertarian people that happen to be in this little part of virginia i don't know why uh the people that run uh cpac live about five miles north of me i mean it's just for some reason in this part of the world we seem to have a cluster of libertarian-leaning folks uh and maybe it's the influence of thomas jefferson and madison etc maybe their ghosts are still around us yeah uh you know they all live within a few lifted their farms are still there not very far from mine um who knows what it is maybe it's something in the water but it i feel this coalescing um uh incense it and then so i try to say well how how could that be enhanced uh how could we enable that what would be the prerequisites and i think there has to be uh these basic services there has to be the ability to produce uh grain and food uh there has to be um some solutions for energy well in this area we have a lot of water power um and there has to be some medium of exchange and probably something akin to a bank that can recycle a deposit in a way that uh enables loans uh basically enables venture capital that's really what alone is [Music] within that community and is able to become self-sustaining and autonomous uh brock when i was with him uh two wednesdays ago he spoke about this new uh momentum uh um uh that that had started with the effort to build this floating city i'm sure you've heard about it that apparently failed it's not economically viable um and now apparently the same people are interacting with defensive state in emerging economies or depressed economies throughout the world and creating what are essentially economic uh autonomous zones that uh are empowered to create their own legal structure uh um which is really kind of the same idea yeah uh so i don't know where all this goes but but getting back on topic i do feel like the the only way that i can and there must be other hypotheses then it's a small number of families wickedly trying to grasp power and maintain their economic dominance over the rest of the world i just haven't run into any other something else [Music] and if that's what's really going on uh i think it behooves us in in is you know consistent with the topic of your podcast uh how how how do those of us who value freedom who who um live based on a commitment to fundamentally libertarian which is really um historically old school liberal yeah right yeah low to no government right that's the language has been attacked and um distorted but that's i think that's what we mean here look robert i've catch you i've kept you way over time sorry um i've been having too much fun so i didn't notice that same here uh the book again lies my government told me uh i think you said publication date is september 2022. that's the projection yep uh well timeline really looking forward to it i got you know i was fortunate to read some of it in preparation for this interview but i look forward to getting through the rest um thank you again i really appreciate you coming on and thanks for all the work you're doing for the world uh would you please let my audience know where they can find out more about you or your work sure and thank you robert thanks for the honor and and opportunity to learn from you and uh listen to your thoughts and kind of exchange uh as we've done now for a few sessions i've i each time we speak it it changes how i see things um a little in this subtle little ways uh so i'm grateful for the learning uh the uh we are now officially on truth social uh finally took that loot today uh uh rw malone md at on getter at rw loanmd no longer on twitter no longer on linkedin uh the uh daily work product which i my wife and i treat as a business is our sub stack rwlalonemd.substack.com as i recall and um you don't have to pay for subscriptions uh if you wish to participate in the chat rooms uh the comments uh from each article uh then we ask you to pay which keeps the 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that's the platform that's all a blockchain based uh in and we're trying to build that out now as as uh one of a series of verticals within a round table that will uh allow people to um more efficiently communicate and to service more of a portal a a receptacle for alternative points of view so uh um be feel free to check that out also and hopefully that will grow wonderful dr robert malone thank you again [Music] my pleasure robert [Music]

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